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<blockquote data-quote="joey_downunder" data-source="post: 58079515" data-attributes="member: 242214"><p>Who knows, God may not have needed to do any major improvements or upgrades (only needed to do polishing and slight sanding on you in minor installments) unlike many of us mere mortals? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> My husband is one of your type of frustrating individuals. Too sane and stable for his own good but then he is the the son of a Yorkshire immigrant. My father-in-law is a real old school stiff upper-lipper. Still has the accent too (why don't you Poms ever lose the accent?!!!!)</p><p>I am being serious now- God may genuinely not had to change character traits much in you, and what has been changed has been such a gradual process that even people close to have assumed it was just you maturing as a person and/or nothing to do with any type of faith. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Or maybe it just wasn't your strength or spiritual gift? I think most people can tell the difference between genuine spiritual prayer and "keeping up with the Joneses" style prayer and it is probably best that you pray silently if it doesn't seem natural for you personally to pray out loud - yet.... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Fair enough. Did any of your friends talk about any personal difficulties they had with doubt and not ever hearing God speak to them via an inner voice or feelings?</p><p> </p><p></p><p>If I could I'd give you half if I could have half of yours. And admiring isn't coveting either. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Feelings are not the important thing. You have stated you have definitely sinned, therefore you know you are a sinner. Do you think a genuine atheist could say such a thing? </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Seem, <em>seem</em>, SEEM. Forget about seem, feel, instinctively "know" or any other word remotely related to emotions. Do <em>you </em>trust the Bible (and therefore God) to be telling the truth about spiritual battles and the need for christians to be on their guard? </p><p></p><p>WRONG. Do you really think only christians are spiritually attacked? Who do you think the Pharisees were listening to when they made this accusation? <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=matthew+12%3A22-24" target="_blank">matthew 12:22-24 </a>Were they ever believers in Jesus? (No speculations about converts after Jesus' resurrection permitted). </p><p>Let's say you do decide that you are truly a christian because you have confessed your sins, believed in Jesus, accept <a href="http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm" target="_blank">The Nicene Creed</a> and so on, don't you realise that you then are much "safer" spiritually than a non-believer? <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+John+3%3A19-24" target="_blank">1 John 3:19-24</a> , <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+John+4%3A4" target="_blank">1 John 4:4 </a>, <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+peter+5%3A8-11" target="_blank">1 peter 5:8-11 </a>, <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=romans+8%3A31-39" target="_blank">romans 8:31-39 </a>Who do you want to be on your side - Satan or God? (Hint: go for the one who's won the battle...)</p><p> </p><p>I doubt that many of us think of what good can come from our struggles while we are going through them. </p><p></p><p>There you go. You must be going to be a completely different part of the body of Christ to me then. I got a mental picture of you being an excellent foot. Can handle immense pressure and heavy loads no worries, and you've got a very high tolerance for pain. If you've ever walked on an Australian road in summer when the bitumen's melting then you'd want to have thick skin....<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p> </p><p></p><p>You're definitely worth it. I am sure your wife agrees with me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joey_downunder, post: 58079515, member: 242214"] Who knows, God may not have needed to do any major improvements or upgrades (only needed to do polishing and slight sanding on you in minor installments) unlike many of us mere mortals? :) My husband is one of your type of frustrating individuals. Too sane and stable for his own good but then he is the the son of a Yorkshire immigrant. My father-in-law is a real old school stiff upper-lipper. Still has the accent too (why don't you Poms ever lose the accent?!!!!) I am being serious now- God may genuinely not had to change character traits much in you, and what has been changed has been such a gradual process that even people close to have assumed it was just you maturing as a person and/or nothing to do with any type of faith. Or maybe it just wasn't your strength or spiritual gift? I think most people can tell the difference between genuine spiritual prayer and "keeping up with the Joneses" style prayer and it is probably best that you pray silently if it doesn't seem natural for you personally to pray out loud - yet.... ;) Fair enough. Did any of your friends talk about any personal difficulties they had with doubt and not ever hearing God speak to them via an inner voice or feelings? If I could I'd give you half if I could have half of yours. And admiring isn't coveting either. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. Feelings are not the important thing. You have stated you have definitely sinned, therefore you know you are a sinner. Do you think a genuine atheist could say such a thing? Seem, [I]seem[/I], SEEM. Forget about seem, feel, instinctively "know" or any other word remotely related to emotions. Do [I]you [/I]trust the Bible (and therefore God) to be telling the truth about spiritual battles and the need for christians to be on their guard? WRONG. Do you really think only christians are spiritually attacked? Who do you think the Pharisees were listening to when they made this accusation? [URL="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=matthew+12%3A22-24"]matthew 12:22-24 [/URL]Were they ever believers in Jesus? (No speculations about converts after Jesus' resurrection permitted). Let's say you do decide that you are truly a christian because you have confessed your sins, believed in Jesus, accept [URL="http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm"]The Nicene Creed[/URL] and so on, don't you realise that you then are much "safer" spiritually than a non-believer? [URL="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+John+3%3A19-24"]1 John 3:19-24[/URL] , [URL="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+John+4%3A4"]1 John 4:4 [/URL], [URL="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+peter+5%3A8-11"]1 peter 5:8-11 [/URL], [URL="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=romans+8%3A31-39"]romans 8:31-39 [/URL]Who do you want to be on your side - Satan or God? (Hint: go for the one who's won the battle...) I doubt that many of us think of what good can come from our struggles while we are going through them. There you go. You must be going to be a completely different part of the body of Christ to me then. I got a mental picture of you being an excellent foot. Can handle immense pressure and heavy loads no worries, and you've got a very high tolerance for pain. If you've ever walked on an Australian road in summer when the bitumen's melting then you'd want to have thick skin....;) You're definitely worth it. I am sure your wife agrees with me. [/QUOTE]
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