No buffet cherry picking, do all the laws!

[Frogster]

Deut 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.


Hebrews 9:19 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you



Exodus 24:3 Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD and all the rules. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the LORD has spoken we will do.”


Leviticus 26:15
if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant,

Josh 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it.

All....THE BOOK, THAT OF GAL 3:10, ALL....


Deut 28:15 “But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.



Deut 28:58 “If you are not careful to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God,


Neh 10:29 join with their brothers, their nobles, and enter into a curse and an oath to walk in God's Law that was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord and his rules and his statutes.


Ex 24:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.”


James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.


Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

 

[LarryP2]

Deut 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.


Hebrews 9:19 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you



Exodus 24:3 Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD and all the rules. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the LORD has spoken we will do.”


Leviticus 26:15
if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant,

Josh 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it.

All....THE BOOK, THAT OF GAL 3:10, ALL....


Deut 28:15 “But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.



Deut 28:58 “If you are not careful to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the Lord your God,


Neh 10:29 join with their brothers, their nobles, and enter into a curse and an oath to walk in God's Law that was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord and his rules and his statutes.


Ex 24:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.”


James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.


Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

But none of those Bible writers had a prophet to tell them otherwise!

Here's where your answer comes from:

"But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was opened in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark with their wings spread over the mercy seat and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly hosts looking with reverential awe toward the law of God ;which had been written by the finger of God. Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the Ten Commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are there[bless and do not curse]in."' "Life Sketches of Ellen G. White," pg 95-96

THAT'S the "authority" for "cherry-picking" among the Laws. NOT the Bible.

 

[Steeno7]

That's right. If you want law you must take it all, and you must keep it all, and you must keep it all perfectly at all times. The law demands perfection. A Perfect God can accept nothing less than perfection.

 

[Cribstyl]

These scriptures all support your single claim.

Those who disagree see the ten.com as eternal and seperated from the law whole law.

 

[Frogster]

But none of those Bible writers had a prophet to tell them otherwise!

Here's where your answer comes from:

"But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was opened in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark with their wings spread over the mercy seat and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly hosts looking with reverential awe toward the law of God ;which had been written by the finger of God. Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the Ten Commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are there[bless and do not curse]in."' "Life Sketches of Ellen G. White," pg 95-96

THAT'S the "authority" for "cherry-picking" among the Laws. NOT the Bible.

I am new but old here, i used to post in the Gt, I don't getcha, unless it is derogatory against E White, than i do.

 

[Frogster]

These scriptures all support your single claim.

Those who disagree see the ten.com as eternal and seperated from the law whole law.

they need to forget all about the ministry of death..:o

What do our friends think of 2 Cor 3? it says "stone"...heheheh


Jer 3:16 And when you have multiplied and been fruitful in the land, in those days, declares the Lord, they shall no more say, “The ark of the covenant of the Lord.” It shall not come to mind or be remembered or missed; it shall not be made again.

 

[Frogster]

But none of those Bible writers had a prophet to tell them otherwise!

Here's where your answer comes from:

"But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was opened in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark with their wings spread over the mercy seat and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly hosts looking with reverential awe toward the law of God ;which had been written by the finger of God. Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the Ten Commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are there[bless and do not curse]in."' "Life Sketches of Ellen G. White," pg 95-96

THAT'S the "authority" for "cherry-picking" among the Laws. NOT the Bible.

now I getcha I am still waking up, sipping cafreine, something that they are not allowed to drink.

 

[SAAN]

Granted no one but Jesus kept the law perfectly, it doesnt mean we shouldn't atleast try to keep Gods commands (CEREMONIAL LAWS EXEMPTED) since we are saved.

 

[Cribstyl]

That's right. If you want law you must take it all, and you must keep it all, and you must keep it all perfectly at all times. The law demands perfection. A Perfect God can accept nothing less than perfection.

That's where you're wrong. The message of the gospel is the gift of eternal life primarily to sinners.
God's New Covenant requires righteousness by faith not righteousness by the law given to Moses.


A robot God requires perfection, A loving God has mercy of sinners.

 

[LarryP2]

Granted no one but Jesus kept the law perfectly, it doesnt mean we shouldn't atleast try to keep Gods commands (CEREMONIAL LAWS EXEMPTED) since we are saved.

As long as we are in agreement on the applicable Laws. Just make sure you are "keeping" the "REAL" First Commandment if you are thinking about the Ten Commandments. Here is how Judaism, through Moses who was inspired by God, has viewed the REAL First Commandment for 3,000 years, and the Apostles plainly understood and obeyed that concept:

"First Commandment (Exodus 20:2): I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
Ten Commandments - My Jewish Learning

"The Law embodied God’s Constitution, His Covenant, only with the nation Israel! The possession of the Law made Israel “peculiar” from other nations and separated national Israel from all other nations on earth. God distinctly ordered Israel NOT to share His covenant-law with other nations. The law made Israel His peculiar nation (Ex 19:5,6; 34;10; Lev 27:34; Deu 4:8; 7:6; 14:2; 26:18-19; 28:1; Ps 135:4; Isa 5:5-7; Mal 4:4; Mark 12:1; Eph 2:12-16)."
LAW: ITS DEFINITION, SCOPE AND RELEVANCE

Please TELL me that you have, in fact, been "brought out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage?" You HAVE had that necessary experience in Egyptian bondage, haven't you? What was yours? Mine was a little over two years. That pyramid work really ruined my back. And their Workman's Comp system bites. I may get $23 a month, if my claim is ever processed.

Or lacking some proof that you worked in the Pyramid construction industry, certainly you can demonstrate your citizenship in the Nation of Israel? Its pretty easy to get a green card from them I hear. They have pretty lax immigration standards, with 24 hour a day telephonic assistance. You DO Have your Israeli Green Card, don't you? Generally, they only require a brief stint in the Israel Defense Forces to qualify for full citizenship, which given your courageous defense of the Law, I am sure you would have no qualms about.

Or when you were discussing the "Law," maybe you were thinking of the specific Old Testament Law that clearly applied and applies to Gentiles?

"According to traditional Judaism, G-d gave Noah and his family seven commandments to observe when he saved them from the flood. These commandments, referred to as the Noahic or Noahide commandments, are inferred from Genesis Ch. 9, and are as follows: 1) to establish courts of justice; 2) not to commit blasphemy; 3) not to commit idolatry; 4) not to commit incest and adultery; 5) not to commit bloodshed; 6) not to commit robbery; and 7) not to eat flesh cut from a living animal. These commandments are fairly simple and straightforward, and most of them are recognized by most of the world as sound moral principles."

Judaism 101: Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews
LAW: ITS DEFINITION, SCOPE AND RELEVANCE

Is THAT the "Law" you were thinking of? In that case, I would have to agree with you, since the Apostles ruled at the Council of Jerusalem in AD 50 that those Noahide Laws were all that was required of Gentile Christians. So I am confident you DO agree with the Apostles' decision as outlined in Acts 15, and you DO agree with the laws that were specifically given to Noah and all Gentiles. And which were confirmed by Moses as being applicable to non-Israelite Gentiles. Those are the laws you are referring to, right? You ARE a Gentile, aren't you? And all of this is totally consistent with Paul's admonition in Colossians 2:13-18, which makes no bizarre and unbiblical distinction between "moral" and "ceremonial laws."

You couldn't be one of those strange Gentiles impersonating a Jew, are you?

 

[SAAN]

Judaism teaches from the Talmud, that is why I will skip what they teach and just look in the bible.

 

[Steeno7]

That's where you're wrong. The message of the gospel is the gift of eternal life primarily to sinners.
God's New Covenant requires righteousness by faith not righteousness by the law given to Moses.


A robot God requires perfection, A loving God has mercy of sinners.

Be perfect. How perfect? As perfect as the Father in Heaven. That's all. Piece of cake, right?

 

[Steeno7]

Granted no one but Jesus kept the law perfectly, it doesnt mean we shouldn't atleast try to keep Gods commands (CEREMONIAL LAWS EXEMPTED) since we are saved.

"Trying" won't cut it. Your best effort is meaningless. Perfection is the only standard a Perfect God can accept.

 

[LarryP2]

Judaism teaches from the Talmud, that is why I will skip what they teach and just look in the bible.

Just so we are clear, you are referring to yourself as a Gentile and the laws in the Old Testament are the ones applicable to all Gentiles, having been given to Noah? Those aren't part of the "Talmud."

Do I detect a note of scorn in your denouncement of the Talmud? It turns out that the Apostle Paul frequently relied upon the Talmud in his presentations:

"Apparently this citing of quotations from apocryphal or Rabbinic writings was not alien to Paul, for in the epistles of Paul, there are abundant signs that he was extremely familiar with Rabbanic material and constantly refers to them. This is not surprising since Paul himself had admitted to familiarity with Jewish traditions under the tutelage of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3)."
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/paul-talmud.htm

"In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is celebrated as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law. The Acts of the Apostles speaks of Gamaliel as a man of great respect who spoke in favor of the arrested apostles of Jesus in Acts 5:34, and the Jewish Talmudic law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel

You aren't implying that Paul was a bad guy for relying on the Talmud, are you? Or are you saying you are superior to the Apostle Paul, since you reject the Talmud? Are you the new Apostle SAAN?

Otherwise, I want to see the whip marks on your back from your days in Egyptian bondage. Have you tried Lanocane on yours? It completely stops the itching on my Egyptian whip marks.

 

[Frogster]

Granted no one but Jesus kept the law perfectly, it doesnt mean we shouldn't atleast try to keep Gods commands (CEREMONIAL LAWS EXEMPTED) since we are saved.

then you break the old cov you say uphold Lev 26:15, break law, break cov and the old cov was all of the law, and the old cov had the 10, Deut 4:13.


Did you read all of the OP verses?

Food laws were intregal to the cov, they actually were a huge contention with Jew and Greek.

do all...it says all...

 

[Frogster]

Judaism teaches from the Talmud, that is why I will skip what they teach and just look in the bible.

the OP is not from the talmud.

 

[Steeno7]

then you break the old cov you say uphold Lev 26:15, break law, break cov and the old cov was all of the law, and the old cov had the 10, Deut 4:13.

Did you read all of the OP verses?

Food laws were intregal to the cov, they actually were a huge contention with Jew and Greek.

do all...it says all...

That’s right. It is called the law, not laws, for a reason. It cannot be divided into categories, and certainly not into categories which makes some laws obligatory and others optional, some laws permanent and others temporary, or some laws more important than others.

Paul tells us that if one desires to be under the law it necessitates "abiding by all things written in the Book of the Law" (Gal. 3:10), and of being "obligated to keep the whole Law" (Gal. 5:3). James also understood that the Law could not be partitioned for "whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all" (James 2:10).

IOW, no slicing and dicing is allowed. If you want to be under the law, you are under all of it.

 

[Frogster]

That’s right. It is called the law, not laws, for a reason. It cannot be divided into categories, and certainly not into categories which makes some laws obligatory and others optional, some laws permanent and others temporary, or some laws more important than others.

Paul tells us that if one desires to be under the law it necessitates "abiding by all things written in the Book of the Law" (Gal. 3:10), and of being "obligated to keep the whole Law" (Gal. 5:3). James also understood that the Law could not be partitioned for "whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all" (James 2:10).

IOW, no slicing and dicing is allowed. If you want to be under the law, you are under all of it.

I hear you loud-n-clear bro. Agreed!

 

[from scratch]

Be perfect. How perfect? As perfect as the Father in Heaven. That's all. Piece of cake, right?

For those who understand the truth, matter of factly yes!

 

[Steeno7]

For those who understand the truth, matter of factly yes!

Who know 'The Truth', the 'Perfect One' who, "has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." Heb. 10:14