Okay so since the council of nicea established the bible and decided on what scriptures to use in it. It seems a very very important part of christian history. So what I am wondering is what exactly was thrown out of the bible? What books are missing and what was decided upon on that council?? Since they have made a huge foundation of christian beliefs, what exactly happened at the council of nicea???
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Two issues here that must be separated: the canon of scripture...which took along time to settle and the Council of Nicea.
There is a good book that I have been scanning...J.N.D.Kelly´s "Early Christian Doctrines"....although I havn´t read it through.
As far as the canon of scriptures, I think you can go to a search engine and find enough material to see what happened.
But the Nicean Council really had to do with the issue of Jesus...is he deity or not and what is his relationship with the Father. Is Jesus "true God" or is Jesus in some secondary role as the opponents say. This was hammer out and 100 yrs later and the Athanasian Creed is the final statement on the relationships between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
There are still many "hot-potato" issues that are debated today concerning all this. So if you like to study, these things will keep you busy for awhile.
Shalom, David.
Two issues here that must be separated: the canon of scripture...which took along time to settle and the Council of Nicea.
There is a good book that I have been scanning...J.N.D.Kelly´s "Early Christian Doctrines"....although I havn´t read it through.
As far as the canon of scriptures, I think you can go to a search engine and find enough material to see what happened.
But the Nicean Council really had to do with the issue of Jesus...is he deity or not and what is his relationship with the Father. Is Jesus "true God" or is Jesus in some secondary role as the opponents say. This was hammer out and 100 yrs later and the Athanasian Creed is the final statement on the relationships between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
There are still many "hot-potato" issues that are debated today concerning all this. So if you like to study, these things will keep you busy for awhile.
Shalom, David.
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Trizm said:
The original Bible, made ny the council, had 77 books. Most Bibles today, though have 66. I'm not sure exactly what the removed books are, but I know there are 11.
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^^The bible your referring to is the one the Catholics use. Ask them they will confirm what im saying. They told me that Martin Luther is credited with the removal of the 11 books.
But back to the issue does anyone know what scriptures were thrown out and not used in the Bible.
But back to the issue does anyone know what scriptures were thrown out and not used in the Bible.
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Vatican Catholics use 72 (As do a few Anglicans)
Eastern Orthodox use 77 (As do many Anglicans, like me)
Eastern Orthodox use 77 (As do many Anglicans, like me)
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PaladinValer said:Vatican Catholics use 72 (As do a few Anglicans)
Eastern Orthodox use 77 (As do many Anglicans, like me)
Thanks for clarification
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HiredGoon said:
The Council of Carthage states in canon # 24:
Canon 24. Besides the canonical Scriptures, nothing shall be read in church under the name of divine Scriptures. Moreover, the canonical Scriptures are these: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua the son of Nun, Judges, Ruth, the four books of the Kings, the two books of Chronicles, Job, the Psalms of David, five books of Solomon,(b) the book of the Twelve [minor] Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Tobias, Judith, Esther, the two books of Ezra, and the two books of the Maccabees. The books of the New Testament: the Gospels, four books; the Acts of the Apostles, one book; the epistles of the apostle Paul, thirteen; of the same to the Hebrews, one epistle; of Peter, two; of John the apostle, three; of James, one; of Jude, one; the Revelation of John. Concerning the confirmation of this canon, the Church across the sea shall be consulted. On the anniversaries of martyrs, their acts shall also be read.
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Usually, those that have been excluded as canonical by the early Church through the councils of Hippo(393) and Carthage(397) are those writings which were written by Gnostic heretics like the Docetists who flatly denied that Christ had a real physical body, like the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Philip. Other books once widely circulated in the early church that have been excluded are the Shepherd of Hermas, the Didache, and the Protoevangelium of James.
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Trizm said:
Actually, none of the 20 canons of the Council of Nicene deals with the books of the bible. They had an even more important issue: that of the Divinity of Christ, Arianism and the 20 canons was about things such as cathecumenate, and juridictional rules.
From The Council of Laodicea:
Canon 60.(a)
It is proper to recognize as many books as these: of the Old Testament, 1. the Genesis of the world; 2. the Exodus from Egypt; 3. Leviticus; 4. Numbers; 5. Deuteronomy; 6. Joshua the son of Nun; 7. Judges and Ruth; 8. Esther; 9. First and Second Kings;(b) 10. Third and Fourth Kings;(c) 11. First and Second Chronicles; 12. First and Second Ezra;(d) 13. the book of one hundred and fifty Psalms; 14. the Proverbs of Solomon; 15. Ecclesiastes; 16. Song of Songs; 17. Job; 18. the Twelve [minor] Prophets; 19. Isaiah; 20. Jeremiah and Baruch, Lamentations and the Epistle [of Jeremiah]; 21. Ezekiel; 22. Daniel.
And the books of the New Testament: 4 Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; the Acts of the Apostles; seven catholic epistles, namely, 1 of James, 2 of Peter, 3 of John, 1 of Jude; fourteen epistles of Paul, 1 to the Romans, 2 to the Corinthians, 1 to the Galatians, 1 to the Ephesians, 1 to the Philippians, 1 to the Colossians, 2 to the Thessalonians, 1 to the Hebrews, 2 to Timothy, 1 to Titus, and 1 to Philemon.
Interestingly, here the general epistles are listed before the Pauline epistles, and the Apocalype accoding to John is excluded.
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