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I did a study on that word and it is only mentioned 4 times in the NT and only in John of the Gospels. Interesting.it did/does ... with a BIG qualification.
Agia/holy/set aside for God.
The word amnos has been "set aside" to refer only to Christ.
Strong's Number G286 matches the Greek ἀμνός (amnos). [Used only 4 times in the NT/NC]
John 1:29, 34 Acts 8:32 1 Peter 1:19
http://www.scripture4all.org/
John 1:29 To-the on-morrow John is seeing the Jesus coming toward him, and he is saying, `Lo, the Lamb/amnoV <286> of the God/YHWH, the one taking away the Sin of the World/kosmou <2889>;
34and I have seen, and I have testified, that this-one is the Son of the God.' 35 To the on-morrow stood the John, and out of the disciples of him, two 36 and looking to-the Jesus walking, he is saying, `Lo, the Lamb/amnoV <286> of the God/YHWH;'
Acts 8:32 And the contents of the Scripture that he was reading was this: `As a sheep/pro-baton <4263> unto slaughter/sfaghn <4967> he was led, and as a Lamb/amnoV <286> before his shearer dumb, so he doth not open his mouth;
1 Peter 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a Lamb/amnou <286> unblemished and unspotted/aspilou <784>--Christ's--
A God which we can understand is no God at all.
The word 'begotten' is not in the original Creed. It has been translated/interpreted to 'begotten' in English. To understand (as best we can) we need to ask the Church.
That is true. If All understood Him we wouldn't have Islam, Judaism and Christ-ianity so divided on Him.
Actually, yes, I know what Kyrie Eleison means and why. I think its presumptuous for you to assert what others do and do not know. Perhaps you know more than others here, me included. But it doesn't excuse you treating us like maroons.
Further, I'm brand spanking new to this forum. What do you know about me? You know nothing other than that I'm a believer with a Torah scroll for an icon. Trust me, you know nothing of me.
I love the Orthodox. You are not, however, the only ones with an appreciation for the Church Fathers and Saints or the liturgies and creeds which have been passed down.
NoDoes that mean you have not asked the Church?
I've not worried about it. I know (because the Church and her Holy Tradition tells me) that He is not created, that is enough. If you want to know more ask in TAW, there are several kind folks there with theological knowledge that far surpasses mine.That you do not even know?
Or, that one needs to be initiated into your church before they will tell you the truth?
I always kind of thought that the line about "We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins" pretty much referred to Peter's words in Acts 2:38 "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins" combined with Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism." I have no problem with Peter saying I should be baptised for the forgiveness of sins. Do you?What does the baptism for the remission of sins refer to?
Would that be from the Orthodoxs or catholicsNot at all. If anyone (most especially me) has given that impression, accept our apologies and clarification. The truth is available to all who will hear it.
You expected everyone to abide by a Creed. You can not understand concerning what it is really saying in regards to begotten? Then how can anyone ask that it be used as a standard for any forum?
I do understand what you mean. But I'm glad you can see it is not true of me. Further, I think you will find that our new generation of Rabbis are men to be reckoned with -- most are not only studied in Judaism, but have classical theological training and education in Church history as well.99% of Christians here have no clue what it means and even less know why that is so.
Forgive me for judging you then, I plead guilty of prejudice brought on by previous encounters of the Messianic kind. It is rare (at TMBFKACF) to encounter a Messianic who has anything but disdain and contempt for EO, gladly exceptions do exist
if I understand, I agreeThe difficulty is, HaShem is utterly beyond our ability to comprehend. We may know him peronally through experiential contact. We may know of His wishes and some things about Him given to us through scripture and the Apostles and the church etc. But who can fathom G-d?
There is nothing wrong and everything right with seeking to understand G-d. But to assume He can be captured in the sentences of language is not reasonable. It seems to me that the closer our language comes to capturing more of the truth about HaShem, the more our own sentences become incomprehensible.
Okay, enlighten me. What is TMBFKACF???Ironically, remission of sins never meant anything, even in the old CF. It was pretty much like what being a Christian is today at TMBFKACF.
Okay, enlighten me. What is TMBFKACF???
And I suppose that is one reason the Orthodox Jews do not understand how Jesus Christ can be their Messiah as Muslims and Christians believe.Originally Posted by GerTzedek
The difficulty is, HaShem is utterly beyond our ability to comprehend. We may know him peronally through experiential contact. We may know of His wishes and some things about Him given to us through scripture and the Apostles and the church etc. But who can fathom G-d?
There is nothing wrong and everything right with seeking to understand G-d. But to assume He can be captured in the sentences of language is not reasonable. It seems to me that the closer our language comes to capturing more of the truth about HaShem, the more our own sentences become incomprehensible.
... and per my illustration in a previous post, using that word improperly among Greek Orthodox elicits an obvious response.I did a study on that word and it is only mentioned 4 times in the NT and only in John of the Gospels. Interesting.
Strong's Number G286 matches the Greek ἀμνός (amnos). [Used only 4 times in the NT/NC]
John 1:29, 34 Acts 8:32 1 Peter 1:19
http://www.scripture4all.org/
John 1:29 To-the on-morrow John is seeing the Jesus coming toward him, and he is saying, `Lo, the Lamb/amnoV <286> of the God/YHWH, the one taking away the Sin of the World/kosmou <2889>;
34and I have seen, and I have testified, that this-one is the Son of the God.' 35 To the on-morrow stood the John, and out of the disciples of him, two 36 and looking to-the Jesus walking, he is saying, `Lo, the Lamb/amnoV <286> of the God/YHWH;'
Acts 8:32 And the contents of the Scripture that he was reading was this: `As a sheep/pro-baton <4263> unto slaughter/sfaghn <4967> he was led, and as a Lamb/amnoV <286> before his shearer dumb, so he doth not open his mouth;
1 Peter 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a Lamb/amnou <286> unblemished and unspotted/aspilou <784>--Christ's--
as a side note, its interesting to see how Greek culture/language was so deeply influenced/changed by Christianity. Amnos is just one example.
Translating the Biblical Greek is about as difficult as translatin the Hebrew of the OT.... and per my illustration in a previous post, using that word improperly among Greek Orthodox elicits an obvious response.
as a side note, its interesting to see how Greek culture/language was so deeply influenced/changed by Christianity. Amnos is just one example.
I started a thread on the Lamb if interested. I am particular interested in that word for "lamb" #721 used almost exclusively in Revelation.
http://foru.ms/t5990509-lamb-of-god-in-the-nt.html
http://www.scripture4all.org/
John 1:29 on the morrow John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, `Lo, the Lamb/amnoV <286>of the God/YHWH, who is taking away the Sin of the World/kosmou <2889>;
Revelation 5:6and I saw, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb/arnion <721> hath stood as it had been Slaughtered/esfagmenon <4969>,
A God which we can understand is no God at all.
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