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Old news and a tired argument, IMO.
If it suits you though, go for it and good luck.
So let us apply this hard scientific method for objective empirical science to your theology. Or, do you have double standards?
No, that is not my position. I am not here to champion any particular position. As I said, I am only here to observe.
To my knowledge, Flew became a deist, not a Christian. Is that considered a victory for Christian apologetics?
this is the vein of thought that I debunked,
then you changed the bars to using factual argumentation instead of simply an "old" or "tired" argument.
the proper method would have been to use the factual argumentation at the get go, instead of shoddy logic.
this would have made it not look like a correction on your part but a solid argument.
thanks and have a nice end of the week.
Based on your theology, Flew is currently in Hell.The point about Anthony Flew was that he was an educated philosopher. He was also an honorary associate of the New Zealand Association of Rationalists and Humanists[49] and a fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew).
In other words, the atheists' version of a "reasonable" man, and he ended up coming to the conclusion that there is objective evidence that can lead a reasonable man to believe that God exists. Exactly as the faithful have been preaching for millennia.
Are you really? anonymous person said the same, but it turned out that he wasn't.If you're going to assert that God does not exist, then you are obligated to provide evidence for it. I'm open to following the evidence where it leads...apparently you're not.
The Dr. Flew as the God's Good example is in better place, than all the non-repented atheists.Based on your theology, Flew is currently in Hell.
I don't disagree with them, they just don't apply to me. If would seem that one doing all of the dodging is you. Will you ever get around to demonstrating the veracity of your own position? No?if you disagree with these assessments, but do not back up your claims with what you do in fact believe, then this is simply a dodge tactic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew
For much of his career Flew was known as a strong advocate of atheism, arguing that one should presuppose atheism until empirical evidence of a God surfaces. He also criticised the idea of life after death,[4] the free will defence to the problem of evil, and the meaningfulness of the concept of God.[5] In 2003 he was one of the signers of the Humanist Manifesto.[6]However, in 2004 he stated an allegiance to deism, more specifically a belief in the Aristotelian God. He stated that in keeping his lifelong commitment to go where the evidence leads, he now believed in the existence of a god.[7]
A book outlining his reasons for changing his position, There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind was written by Flew in collaboration with Roy Abraham Varghese. The book (and Flew's conversion itself) has been the subject of controversy, following an article in The New York Times Magazine alleging that Flew had mentally declined, and that the book was primarily the work of Varghese;[8] Flew himself specifically denied this, stating that the book represented his views, although he acknowledged that due to his age Varghese had done most of the actual work of writing the book.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotelian_theology
Christians must really be desperate to find any atheist who changes his mind. The best they can come up with is someone professing a belief in deism, (worshiping the Aristotelian God). This is as much a rejection of christianity as it is of atheism.According to Aristotle, each unmoved mover continuously contemplates its own contemplation; they have no knowledge of the cosmos, nor do they participate therein. The planets and stars, which have their source of motion within themselves (by virtue of aether, Aristotle's fifth element) aspire to emulate the uniform circular motion of their particular mover.
You see, old and tired arguments, can be absent any objective support.
Thanks, I am planning on having a nice end of the week.
To deist. You know now, what God exists and, thus, you hate the atheism (because that the faith does: you are not tolerant to false teachings).
Let us see your theistic definition:
God is a metaphysically transcendent being that with awareness and intelligence has created and/or orders our physical universe.
I see: God has created our universe.
If there was no God, then God has not created our universe. This is logical mistake. Thus, the God am. Proof ends.
The Path of mind to the God Father...Anthony Flew... can lead a reasonable man to believe that God exists.
You tried that in post #151. Are we to keep a running tally of your use of fallacious arguments?
well at that point in the game geisler was trying to win the war and not the battle,
lets just say that much,
great guy, as most creationists and IDers are, genuinely intelligent and honest.
but in this case in retrospect, I would have done it different, more on par with what Steven Meyers is doing.
separation from the Biblical text and genesis entirely.
it's nice to have a crowd of religious people follow you in creationism, like ken ham is doing.
but you can't legalize what he is doing.
IDer's some athiests, and others believers in multiple God's or other God's....
IDers have united globally under discoveries mission.
they simply want the science of ID to be recognized.
not different than a homosexual wanting the states to recognize his marriage.
either it's right or it's wrong.
I don't even agree with the latter,
but you see the point.
ID'ers are treated like immoral beings in teh scientific community, ridiculed etc.
it is to the point where ID'ers have excellelled in many areas and feed off the persecution as Christ said would happen to other groups of followers like the Christians.
in a similiar way IDers are persecuted for trying to bring out more science, not less.
not denying evolution, as is common place, but actually teaching the critical analysis of it along side it.
it makes you think,
and question.
which is good for logic development.
Its odd that pascal had a mystic experience, not of the philosophical god, but the real one!" but wound up dedicating himself to philosophical theology.
Ah...So circular reasoning then, eh? "God does not exist, therefore Anthony Flew was unreasonable to believe that God exists."
If you're going to assert that God does not exist, then you are obligated to provide evidence for it. I'm open to following the evidence where it leads...apparently you're not.
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