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true... part of it is that they've seen so MANY changes..........Somehow, I don't think that will change at all. It might be muted or forced off-site, but folks are still going to whine and complain any time a change is made.
My point continues to be that it's all too simple to CLAIM to accept them when at the same time they promote very serious moral depravities andNadiine, the Nicene Creed does not delineate our Christian values or morals. It is a statement the embodies the beliefs about God that a Christian should have. Like it or not, different denominations aren't going to agree on a lot of issues. That's part of being in a family. We need to learn to get along in spite of those differences.
The most important thing is that we agree on God and His nature.
My point continues to be that it's all too simple to CLAIM to accept them when at the same time they promote very serious moral depravities and
attack [ie reject] the Bible as faulty, unreliable and much of it useless where they see fit to dismantle it (for whatever agenda they carry).
if you want to see if ecumenism works here - REAL ecumenism,I don't really think that ecumenism has "failed," per se, rather that what it meant was rather ill-defined. Like everything it is a "work in progress" (this is CF...lol). Things will take time and the intent isn't to say "now that this policy is in effect everyone must do 'X'" but, rather, gently push the site in a given direction over time. If anything failed I think it was the old process of making a change and then grumping about it three weeks later because everything wasn't exactly like you thought it would be in your mind's eye...
Well, ....
I'm done with the same tired request year after year here.
So, again, I'll say that I AM very happy this change was
made. It's a positive step in the right direction.
This seems to be the part you don't understand. Historically (going back to the early days of the Church), one was a Christian who affirmed these beliefs about God. One might be a Christian in error if one had other doctrines wrong, but one was still a Christian. Traditionally, the litmus test for Christianity was what one believed about God--nothing else.
This is completely biblical. Paul wrote in his epistles about how to deal with Christians who were living in sin. He never said that people who were living in sin weren't Christians--even the fellow who was openly living with his stepmother.
Our role in dealing with Christians in error is to try to lead them back onto the correct path. Our role is not to decide whether they are or are not Christians. We accept their statement of faith and leave it there.
if you want to see if ecumenism works here - REAL ecumenism,
you should remove all the Congregation Safe havens & FORCE us
all into one big happy family to unite without any barriers to hide
in.
Safe havens keep us separated & divided into our little cubby holes.
And I notice that's where a large majority stay - most don't venture
out into the open areas for Christian discussion/debate.
If they do, they come running back to the safe havens for some
R & R - or the game areas - or anyone where serious Christian
discussion doesn't take place.
This is just not true -This seems to be the part you don't understand. Historically (going back to the early days of the Church), one was a Christian who affirmed these beliefs about God. One might be a Christian in error if one had other doctrines wrong, but one was still a Christian. Traditionally, the litmus test for Christianity was what one believed about God--nothing else.
What's happening here Belinda, is that people are sayingEven though Jesus had very harsh words for the Pharisees, he never said they weren't Jews. In the same way, we can't go around saying that somebody who assents to the NC isn't Christian.
Ok Belinda, you just keep believing that.CF isn't promoting anything. There are individual members of CF who do the promoting. Big difference.
The biggest problem I see at CF is btwn. Liberal vs. Conservative theology.
The two do not remotely mix.
Frankly I'm tired
of what's allowed under a Christian banner here, but
that seems to be the way they want it.
so we continue
to live in constant fighting.
the Nicene Creed does not delineate our Christian values or morals. It is a statement the embodies the beliefs about God that a Christian should have. Like it or not, different denominations aren't going to agree on a lot of issues. That's part of being in a family. We need to learn to get along in spite of those differences.
The most important thing is that we agree on God and His nature.
That's just the problem, anyone can grab a Christian icon who is NOT
of "my family" at all - and the fruit is clearly ignored in thread after
thread and we're forced to unite with what's false.
My bible gives another litmus test of the spirits and I'm sorry,
but it's not posting a CF icon. Jamming people together by
force doesn't make us one family in the same spirit.
And if that causes some here to think I'm not of their family -
that's good with me.
"God has taught me to call no man unclean or common."
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