New Rule Suggestion

[busterdog]

this forum was for creationism nonsense.

Has anyone got time for someone who posts like this?

This OP represents all the time I have. Suggest that such posts be ignored here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5672890-so.html

 

[Tonks]

Has anyone got time for someone who posts like this?

This OP represents all the time I have. Suggest that such posts be ignored here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5672890-so.html

You can create your own guildlines for the forum...and we will remove threads which run afoul of your created guildines (if they're reported...we can't catch them all, sadly).

 

[Gwenyfur]

These are the current rules devised in the wiki for OT/Creationism/TE

Forum for the discussion of various theologies relating to Origins, including Creationism (Young/Old) and Theistic Evolution (Evolutionary Creationism).

Rules:
1. All CF rules apply.
2. All Theology rules apply.
3. Forum Specific Rules:

A. Creationism Rules:

The Creationism sub-forum is a place for fellowship and discussions related to non-evolutionary creationism. Debate is allowed regarding differences in these positions, for example young earth creationism (YEC) versus old earth creationism (OEC).

The creationism subforum is not a place to discuss evolution (of any form) versus creationism. Such topics can easily be discussed in the Origins Theology subforum.

B. Theistic Evolution Rules:


The Theistic Evolutionism subforum is a place for fellowship and discussion related to evolutionary creationism. It is also a safe haven to learn about what theistic evolutionism's positions are on various theological and secular issues pertaining to the Creation vrs. Evolution debate.

The Theistic Evolution subforum is not a place to initiate the Creation vrs. Evolution debate. That may done in the Origins Theology forum to which Theistic Evolution is a subforum of.

The link is HERE

 

[busterdog]

These are the current rules devised in the wiki for OT/Creationism/TE

Forum for the discussion of various theologies relating to Origins, including Creationism (Young/Old) and Theistic Evolution (Evolutionary Creationism).

Rules:
1. All CF rules apply.
2. All Theology rules apply.
3. Forum Specific Rules:

A. Creationism Rules:

The Creationism sub-forum is a place for fellowship and discussions related to non-evolutionary creationism. Debate is allowed regarding differences in these positions, for example young earth creationism (YEC) versus old earth creationism (OEC).

The creationism subforum is not a place to discuss evolution (of any form) versus creationism. Such topics can easily be discussed in the Origins Theology subforum.

B. Theistic Evolution Rules:


The Theistic Evolutionism subforum is a place for fellowship and discussion related to evolutionary creationism. It is also a safe haven to learn about what theistic evolutionism's positions are on various theological and secular issues pertaining to the Creation vrs. Evolution debate.

The Theistic Evolution subforum is not a place to initiate the Creation vrs. Evolution debate. That may done in the Origins Theology forum to which Theistic Evolution is a subforum of.

The link is HERE

I thought the presence of TE arguments here was representative of the new rule. While I am not sure I understand it, I think it sounds like its more or less the same rule, but just a different method for defining it. I guess that sounds pretty good.

I don't really want to be reporting anyone. Ignoring them is generally better, unless there is a repeat offense.

 

[Gwenyfur]

All members are welcome to post here...they just aren't allowed to debate here....
the only topic is creation...in it's various forms...no discussion of evolution

We cannot restrict access, but we can restrict the topic...and yes, please as we have new posters in these areas, report them....so that we can counsel them on the rules specific to this forum

I hope that helps encourage y'all...
if you would like to alter or make additions hte wiki's are not locked as yet, and are open to editing from Creationist Members

 

[Impaler]

All members are welcome to post here...they just aren't allowed to debate here....
the only topic is creation...in it's various forms...no discussion of evolution

Does this one count for everyone? Do creationists have to use other forums to discuss evolution, or is that rule reserved for us?

 

[Floodnut]

Ok, I see we are only allowed to talk about Creation here, we can't talk about the folly of the LIE of evolution, and we can't talk about the Flood and the actual values intended for numbers and ages in the later chapters of Genesis, we can't talk about the Unbelief of Theistic Evolution and the pseudoscience of Evolution and their deceptive dating methods and how it is contrary to the Truth that is in Christ Jesus who was a Young Earth Creationist. We can only talk about Creation here. I get it.

 

[laptoppop]

Actually, as near as I can figure out, it is up to us to define what can and cannot be talked about here. However, if a topic is fair game, then anyone can participate in it, including TEs and atheistic evolutionists.

Discussing the flood is very much in line with current topics - creationism. But if we discuss evolution, then anyone can participate.

 

[HypnoToad]

Has anyone got time for someone who posts like this?

This OP represents all the time I have. Suggest that such posts be ignored here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5672890-so.html

According to the current rules, the post about "creationism nonsense" seems to me to be a violation. It's clearly arguing against creationism in the Creationism forum.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Does this one count for everyone? Do creationists have to use other forums to discuss evolution, or is that rule reserved for us?

There are 3 other places to discuss evolution C&E, OT, TE

Ok, I see we are only allowed to talk about Creation here, we can't talk about the folly of the LIE of evolution, and we can't talk about the Flood and the actual values intended for numbers and ages in the later chapters of Genesis, we can't talk about the Unbelief of Theistic Evolution and the pseudoscience of Evolution and their deceptive dating methods and how it is contrary to the Truth that is in Christ Jesus who was a Young Earth Creationist. We can only talk about Creation here. I get it.

That's the beauty of the Wiki rules Floodnut, y'all get to set the rules for this subforum. It's not up to staff or even admins! The wiki is for YOU, the MEMBERS to set the rules YOU want in YOUR fora. Follow the link, make your voice heard. Only thing I've been doing is editing spelling and formatting

Actually, as near as I can figure out, it is up to us to define what can and cannot be talked about here. However, if a topic is fair game, then anyone can participate in it, including TEs and atheistic evolutionists.

exactly that!

Discussing the flood is very much in line with current topics - creationism. But if we discuss evolution, then anyone can participate.

Yes, the flood does fall within the scope of creation.

 

[Mallon]

Is referring to evolution as a pseudoscientific "LIE" and belittling the faith of evolutionary creationists allowed in this subforum as well? It strikes me that if you're going to limit the topic of conversation to creationism, that would exclude mentioning evolution at all, both in the positive and negative.

 

[Tonks]

Is referring to evolution as a pseudoscientific "LIE" and belittling the faith of evolutionary creationists allowed in this subforum as well? It strikes me that if you're going to limit the topic of conversation to creationism, that would exclude mentioning evolution at all, both in the positive and negative.

I think that may be a bit of a legalistic view of the rules. I'm sure it's quite acceptable to contrast the creationist pov to the evolutionist pov. If the rules aren't written that way you can change them...

 

[Mallon]

I think that may be a bit of a legalistic view of the rules. I'm sure it's quite acceptable to contrast the creationist pov to the evolutionist pov. If the rules aren't written that way you can change them...

So, just to make sure we're on the same page, it's ok to mention evolution (and evolutionary creationism) here as long as it's done in a negative or condescending light? Anyone trying to correct misrepresentations of either position will be warned?
These rules are mighty subjective. They might need some tweaking.

 

[Gwenyfur]

the rules for the creationism sub forum are open to editing by the creationism forum members

Mallon- you are more than welcome to edit the TE sub forum rules if you wish.

 

[Mallon]

Mallon- you are more than welcome to edit the TE sub forum rules if you wish.

Thanks, but the TE subforum rules aren't what bothers me. It's unchecked people here saying things like 'evolutionary creationists are unbelievers' that bothers me. If these sorts of accusations and slander are not allowed to be rebuked by non-members (read: the evolutionary creationists themselves), then I hope that the members here will police their own subforum. It's intollerable elsewhere, and I think it ought not be tollerated here, either.

 

[Gwenyfur]

if you read the new CF wide rules...you will see that 2.4 should cover your concerns.

 

[Mallon]

if you read the new CF wide rules...you will see that 2.4 should cover your concerns.

Great! I expect to the see the post concerning the "Unbelief of Theistic Evolution" " retracted with apology" then.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Great! Report it so I can find it....

we are a bit shorthanded at the moment ya know

 

[busterdog]

Ok, I see we are only allowed to talk about Creation here, we can't talk about the folly of the LIE of evolution, and we can't talk about the Flood and the actual values intended for numbers and ages in the later chapters of Genesis, we can't talk about the Unbelief of Theistic Evolution and the pseudoscience of Evolution and their deceptive dating methods and how it is contrary to the Truth that is in Christ Jesus who was a Young Earth Creationist. We can only talk about Creation here. I get it.

I think Mallon is responding to this one.

I see that Floodnut is taking a hard line in addressing positions, not specific people.

I think Mallon's acceptance of evolution is a reasonable position, based on some evidence, that does not preclude a biblical faith in Jesus Christ.

That being said, yes, evolution is a lie and folly based on deceptive dating methods. But, then that view isn't much of a mystery is it? I also think TE is based in unbelief (of certain biblical principles, though not of the saving name of the one true God and the resurrection.)

Have I broken the rules? I am getting confused. I think you can fellowship with people, see the reason in their point of view and yet reject completely their anti-biblical worldview. It's the obvious point of cleavage. So obvious, that I am not sure why it is considered offensive. Is it?

 

[laptoppop]

Busterdog - you are making the right distinction between the theology/science of TEs and individual TEs and their relationship with God, or their personal ethics. I believe that as long as we make that distinction, we are totally free to discuss the lie of evolution in the OT forum, but this forum is for creationism. This forum would be a good place to discuss if creationists should use the conventional geologic designations, or if we need to toss them out, for example. It would be a solid place to discuss the ramifications of two Adams.