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Debi1967 · Jan 17, 2004

Ok let me rephrase this so that I get an answer
What exactly is the Charismatic Movement in the Catholic Church? Can somebody please explain it to me??

Because I went to an Interdenominational one and it is not what I think you think Charasmatic churches are. So let me explain to you what they tried to teach me. They said that Christ and God and such weren't real but that what they inspire is. Catch the drift of that one. So if you believe in Jesus he is not real but the feelings and emotions that your beliefs have in your life are. So they don't worship Him they worship the concepts that are inspired. Like healing and such. This is what they call Charismatic belief.
In Christ
Debi

thereselittleflower · Jan 17, 2004

debiwebi said:
What is the Charismatic Movement to you?

Because I went to an Interdenominational one and it is not what I think you think Charasmatic churches are. So let me explain to you what they tried to teach me. They said that Christ and God and such weren't real but that what they inspire is. Catch the drift of that one. So if you believe in Jesus he is not real but the feelings and emotions that your beliefs have in your life are. So they don't worship Him they worship the concepts that are inspired. Like healing and such. This is what they call Charismatic belief.
In Christ
Debi

Well, I don't know what kind of Charasmatic hoo haa that is, but it certainly isn't Charasmatic Christian!!!

That is some kind of new age blend . . . and it does not represent the Charasmatic movement within Protestantism . .

One has to be careful, because the emoltional element can decieve . .

Benny Hinn used to have a saying . .
'If you have the word without the Holy Spirit, you dry up . . if you have the Holy Spirit without the word, you blow up '. . i think there is some truth to that, but this group does not even have the Holy Spirit . . they can't, they deny Christ . . they have some emotional gig going on, and it possibly is demonic . .

Peace in Him!

Debi1967 · Jan 17, 2004

thereselittleflower said:
Well, I don't know what kind of Charasmatic hoo haa that is, but it certainly isn't Charasmatic Christian!!!

That is some kind of new age blend . . . and it does not represent the Charasmatic movement within Protestantism . .

One has to be careful, because the emoltional element can decieve . .

Benny Hinn used to have a saying . .
'If you have the word without the Holy Spirit, you dry up . . if you have the Holy Spirit without the word, you blow up '. . i think there is some truth to that, but this group does not even have the Holy Spirit . . they can't, they deny Christ . . they have some emotional gig going on, and it possibly is demonic . .

Peace in Him!

Don't worry I was respect ful why I was there but as soon as I left I threw down into fits of laughter which the person I was with that took me didn't care for much let me tell you. But I was too astounded. They are called Christian unification churches BTW and they are starting to pop up all over the place. Tell me that God never was reall I think they all belong in looney bins or something.

KennySe · Jan 17, 2004

(small thread drift)
Aren't there are "Christian faiths/denominations" that are denying the virgin birth of jesus?

(back on topic)
In the Catholic Church, I attended a Charismatic Renewal Service once in the mid-'80s.
I didn't enjoy the experience. I can't explain it.
It just wasn't for me; it didn't appeal to me.

Debi1967 · Jan 17, 2004

KennySe said:
(small thread drift)
Aren't there are "Christian faiths/denominations" that are denying the virgin birth of jesus?

(back on topic)
In the Catholic Church, I attended a Charismatic Renewal Service once in the mid-'80s.
I didn't enjoy the experience. I can't explain it.
It just wasn't for me; it didn't appeal to me.

Yeah but what is it in the Catholic Church is what I want to know because obviously it is different.

Debi1967 · Jan 17, 2004

Rephrased My opening question to make it more clear

thereselittleflower · Jan 17, 2004

Hi deb . . though I have been involved with charasmatic groups within Protestantism, I haven't been to one within Catholicism, so really can't speak to it . . hopefully, if someone hasn't answered your question already by the time Shelb5 gets back, she can asnwer it for you . . . but I would suspect it would be one in which the gifts of the Holy Spirit are allowed full expression in an orderly and godly way . . .

Peace in Him!

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Debi1967 · Jan 17, 2004

thereselittleflower said:
Hi deb . . though I have been involved with charasmatic groups within Protestantism, I haven't been to one within Catholicism, so really can't speak to it . . hopefully, if someone hasn't answered your question already by the time Shelb5 gets back, she can asnwer it for you . . . but I would suspect it would be one in which the gifts of the Holy Spirit are allowed full expression in an orderly and godly way . . .

Peace in Him!

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Ok now that would make a little more sense still not my cup of tea maybe but at least not the other debacle I had to sit through with that other supposed Christian church.

ProCommunioneFacior · Jan 17, 2004

thereselittleflower said:
Hi deb . . though I have been involved with charasmatic groups within Protestantism, I haven't been to one within Catholicism, so really can't speak to it . . hopefully, if someone hasn't answered your question already by the time Shelb5 gets back, she can asnwer it for you . . . but I would suspect it would be one in which the gifts of the Holy Spirit are allowed full expression in an orderly and godly way . . .

Peace in Him!

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That is exactly what it is. I have attended charismatic prayer meetings and a couple of charismatic Mass and although it is not my thing, I see nothing wrong with what they do. They sing the roof off, they pray and sing in tongues, they pray over each other at the meetings. The charismatic Mass, is really the same as all other Mass, however during the songs people raise their arms in the air and sing the roofs off, people pray in tongues during times of prayer, and it is all done in an orderly way.

The people that I know that are in the charismatic movement are very holy people. They are also very humble, which I think is extremely important for the people that are in the charismatic movement. Humility is essential, so that people do not use these gifts to glorify themselves but rather that they glorify God and build up his Church.

Benedicta00 · Jan 17, 2004

There is nothing different with a charismatic Catholic and a non-charismatic Catholic doctrinally wise. They operate in the gifts, healings, deliverance, ect. The good thing is Catholic charismatics is what true charismatics should be. We have the truth and so we are protected by it. Non catholic Charismatic groups do notr have the benefit of knowing the fullness of truth so that is what leads them into error.

Catholics are at risk of being deceived also if they do not stay very close to the teachings of the Church and remain very humble. When you have an extraordinary gift you can feel misunderstood and you can become tempted to wing it in your own with out the Church. Pride is the culprit and the movement is good when it is in it's proper context.

Debi1967 · Jan 17, 2004

Thank You proud2becatholic and shelb5 for the answers to my question
between the two of you I now have a much better understanding on this thing.
Your Sister
In Christ
Debi

pentecostal girl · Jan 17, 2004

The good thing is Catholic charismatics is what true charismatics should be.

Why is that so?

Non catholic Charismatic groups do notr have the benefit of knowing the fullness of truth so that is what leads them into error.

MattMMMan17 · Jan 17, 2004

Because the fullness of Truth can only be found in the Catholic Faith.

In other words, as Shelb5 has stated, "but only in the Catholic Church will one be able to find the full and complete truth of the Christian faith with out any error contained therein"

pentecostal girl · Jan 17, 2004

MattMMMan17 said:
Because the fullness of Truth can only be found in the Catholic Faith

I don't understand that. Why is it that only the "fullness of Truth can only be found in the Catholic Faith? How do you come to that conclusion?

BAChristian · Jan 17, 2004

While I am only a moderator in training, I would encourage everyone here to be mindful of other faiths in Christ and how our words could turn a thread into a heated debate.

Although we have a certain belief in something, we all know what we should and shouldn't say to avoid conflict.

Sometimes the best thing to do is not say those things that we know is going to "add fuel to the fire".

In other words, please edit your posts appropriately. If you don't, I'll report it myself.

It's that simple.

Benedicta00 · Jan 17, 2004

pentecostal girl said:
I don't understand that. Why is it that only the "fullness of Truth can only be found in the Catholic Faith? How do you come to that conclusion?

Because we believe that the Catholic Church is the fullness of the Christian faith and it contains no doctrinal error. Protestantisms sole authority is scripture alone so its interpretation and doctrine subsequent are subjective. Thus the charismatic Catholics have the benefit of testing the spirits against what the Church teaches and they can be assured that anything that goes against the Churchs teachings is not the Holy Spirit leading them. Charismatic Protestants test the spirits by matching up with scripture and that is very subjective since that depends on self-interpretation and one can be easily led into error.

Benedicta00 · Jan 17, 2004

BAchristian said:
While I am only a moderator in training, I would encourage everyone here to be mindful of other faiths in Christ and how our words could turn a thread into a heated debate.

Although we have a certain belief in something, we all know what we should and shouldn't say to avoid conflict.

Sometimes the best thing to do is not say those things that we know is going to "add fuel to the fire".

In other words, please edit your posts appropriately. If you don't, I'll report it myself.

It's that simple.

In this instant there is no easy way to say this. The charismatic movement is very misunderstood even by Catholics and I do not feel that we are disrespecting any of our Protestant brother and sisters by stating the truth of the matter as to what a charismatic Catholic is.

The thing that separates the charismatic movement in Protestantism form Catholics who are charismatic is, truth.

Debi1967 · Jan 17, 2004

As the OP of this thread I am going to ask very respectfully of ALL that NO debating take place in here that was not it's intent or purpose. It's purpose was simply to ask a question of my brethren and to have it answered period. If it continues I will ask for the thread to be closed myself.

BAChristian · Jan 17, 2004

The point is this:

Do you understand now how misconceptions about the Catholic faith happen? A person reads a post, and they will now leave and tell their friends, "I read online that Catholics don't believe that you can find God in their Church. How obtuse!"

...and that's not what the Church teaches. But because we can't/won't word our statements appropriately, we get misconceptions.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Finally, Shelb, your point is well taken.

Benedicta00 · Jan 17, 2004

BAchristian said:
The point is this:

Do you understand now how misconceptions about the Catholic faith happen? A person reads a post, and they will now leave and tell their friends, "I read online that Catholics don't believe that you can find God in their Church. How obtuse!"

...and that's not what the Church teaches. But because we can't/won't word our statements appropriately, we get misconceptions.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Finally, Shelb, your point is well taken.

Yea, but we didnt say that. LOL.

To clarify, the Protestant faith does contain truth, and there can be some good and useful points in their faith practices, they are Christian and they can be saved, but only in the Catholic Church will one be able to find the full and complete truth of the Christian faith with out any error contained there in.

If they went and told their freinds that we think this, they would be telling the truth.

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