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Poor Beggar · Aug 21, 2015

As this may be the forum I post the most in, I thought I'd introduce myself here as well. I've read all the threads of this forum prior to joining. I'm here to form friendships and grow with others to the glory of God. I don't play games. If someone is contentious I will stop communicating with them and will not get sucked into "proving" they are rude. I believe most things have more than a binary choice, but not always. I have a good sense of humor as well. I live in AZ. I'm married with two wonderful children. I'm glad to meet you.

nonaeroterraqueous · Aug 21, 2015

I hope all goes well, and that you make many friends and few enemies. I'm glad to meet you.

The statement about binary choices struck me as an interesting perspective. When I took a class on plant taxonomy in my younger days I was struck kind of funny with the way they had the different species systematized. Identifying a plant required answering a series of binary questions, like "Is the leaf margin serrate or entire?" or "is the venation palmate or pinnate?" This manner of divining between different kinds of plants seemed too narrow to account for the wide varieties in the real world. In fact, the plant taxonomists were not at all ignorant of this fact. There could be more than two different forms for any attribute, but the categorizing was always either/or. Is it this, or is it that? The binary system of argument does not ignore the possibility of a multiplicity of options. It's just a more systematic method for narrowing to a precise answer. Think of your last trip to the optometrist, for example.

Anyway, good luck with the forums.

Poor Beggar · Aug 21, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous said:
. It's just a more systematic method for narrowing to a precise answer

Unless it leaves out options.

Glad to meet you. If you're not in the air, on land, or in the sea, where are you?

MWood · Aug 21, 2015

Poor Beggar said:
Unless it leaves out options.

Glad to meet you. If you're not in the air, on land, or in the sea, where are you?

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nonaeroterraqueous · Aug 21, 2015

Poor Beggar said:
Unless it leaves out options.

Glad to meet you. If you're not in the air, on land, or in the sea, where are you?

Like I say, the method looks like a deductive fallacy, but it's the system used for plant taxonomy. If a new species is discovered, the one that was left out, as you say, then a new binary choice is added, differentiating it from the next nearest of its kind. New denominations branch off from their next-nearest kin. New ideologies branch off from their next-nearest progenitor, and so on. Each relationship is binary, though the tree, as a whole, is not binary.

You might say that a solid, liquid and gas represent three perfect equals, for which there is no binary relationship, but I protest. I would ask, "Is it a fluid?" (liquid and gas are both fluid). If it is not a fluid, then it is a solid. If it is a fluid, then I must ask, "Does it occupy a definite volume?" If it does not occupy a definite volume, then it is a gas, and so on.... No three things are perfect equals, except for God, himself. That's the theory, anyway. With better understanding it is assumed that one will be slightly more like the second than the third, for one reason or another.

Poor Beggar · Aug 21, 2015

I was kind of meaning more like someone who says you can paint your room black or white and no matter how much you point out there is blue, purple, green, and red paint, they still refuse to acknowledge those options. People do this with theological ideas all the time. I've seen it in the last 507 threads on this site. It gets atrocious. God becomes a computer program that gets applied to the bible and His Person good is gone-- effectively diluting His sovereignty.

Emmy · Aug 22, 2015

Dear Poor Beggar. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus has good news for us. The first and great Commandment is:
Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself. In verse 40, we are told: " on these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Very true and
very important. God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: " ask and you shall receive," we ask for Love and Joy, then we thank God and share all with our neighbour: all we know and all
we meet, friends and not friends. We keep asking and receiving, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. God will see our loving efforts, and God will approve and bless us. A Christian`s weapons are love and joy,
with love we can overcome all enmity and bad behaviour.
The Bible tells us: " Repent and be Born Again," we give up all our selfish wishes and wants, and start loving and caring. We will find that people will treat us the same as we are treating the people, and gradually we will turn into God`s chosen men and women. The Holy Spirit will help and guide us, and Jesus our Saviour will lead us all the way:
JESUS IS THE WAY. Love and Compassion will change this imperfect world into a place which God our Heavenly Father wants for us. Love God and love our neighbour, it will also keep Satan away from us.

Poor Beggar · Aug 22, 2015

Amen. I've enjoyed your posts. Glad to meet you.

PrincetonGuy · Aug 22, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Like I say, the method looks like a deductive fallacy, but it's the system used for plant taxonomy.

What you are writing about has nothing at all to do with plant taxonomy—the systematic classification of plants according to their presumed natural relationships—; rather it has to do with plant nomenclature. That is, determining the binomial names of plants using the “keying” method.” Despite its weaknesses, the keying method of identification can be used even by children to find the binomial name of very many kinds of plants provided that the child has access to all of the pertinent parts of the plant. The keying method of identification will not, however, help the child to learn the detailed relationship of one plant to another. For that, the child will need a knowledge of plant taxonomy along with an extensive knowledge of genetics.

Poor Beggar said:
I believe most things have more than a binary choice, but not always.

The very detailed rules of plant taxonomy prevent any given plant from having more than one correct binomial name. However, we do not have a “key” to biblical hermeneutics, ethical behavior, politics, or most other subjects—and there is no “legal” binomial name for ‘Calvinism,’ ‘good,’ or ‘Republican.’ We have, of course, the Bible, but it was written in languages and cultures very different from our own, and determining the correct interpretation of a word, phrase, sentence, or paragraph in the Bible can be immensely difficult. However, we all (hopefully) read it and we all have our opinions about what it says. I agree that there is only one correct interpretation, but there may be more than one correct application. Welcome to Christian Forums!

nonaeroterraqueous · Aug 22, 2015

Poor Beggar said:
I was kind of meaning more like someone who says you can paint your room black or white and no matter how much you point out there is blue, purple, green, and red paint, they still refuse to acknowledge those options. People do this with theological ideas all the time. I've seen it in the last 507 threads on this site. It gets atrocious. God becomes a computer program that gets applied to the bible and His Person good is gone-- effectively diluting His sovereignty.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Never mind me. I was just remembering back to my disbelief that a binary key could be used to navigate through a plethora of different species to arrive at a specific identification.

Goodbook · Aug 26, 2015

God sent his covenant sign to Noah and to all of us and it was his bow upon the cloud...this rainbow has seven colours visible to our eyes.

And I think there is a such a thing as a rainbow bible out there. The Words of Jesus are in red.

Also, Joseph had a coat of many colours. So I agree, its not just black and white. People oigut to see in colour. Gods creation is in colour.

It is just when theres light, in our fallen world theres shadow. But in heaven. There will be no shadows. Everything will be glorious colours.

Goodbook · Aug 26, 2015

Btw welcome. Are you just frequenting the baptist forum or you mean all the forums on here?

Poor Beggar · Aug 26, 2015

Goodbook said:
Btw welcome. Are you just frequenting the baptist forum or you mean all the forums on here?

I find myself generally thinking like a baptist, so probably mostly here. However, apparently I can be found on other forums as well as evidenced by the last few days and my inability to avoid interesting topics.

mikedsjr · Aug 28, 2015

Welcome to the forum, I'm not green, but Im new as of this year, i think. You live in the epitome of hotness, while i live in little less hot, but humid Texas, Fort Worth to be specific. married with one 13 year old.

As for church relationship. I've been married to the Baptist church all my life, but I must admit I have a love affair with Lutheran theology. It does make the marriage between myself and the baptist church a little rough, but nothing that we can't work out, eh.

Poor Beggar · Aug 28, 2015

mikedsjr said:
Welcome to the forum, I'm not green, but Im new as of this year, i think. You live in the epitome of hotness, while i live in little less hot, but humid Texas, Fort Worth to be specific. married with one 13 year old.

As for church relationship. I've been married to the Baptist church all my life, but I must admit I have a love affair with Lutheran theology. It does make the marriage between myself and the baptist church a little rough, but nothing that we can't work out, eh.

I'm very good at getting along with others. Mostly because I've learned to ignore willful stupidity. In fact, I've been on CF for about 1 week now and I have 6 people on my ignore status!

Goodbook · Aug 28, 2015

Lol. I have more than that.

OzSpen · Aug 31, 2015

Poor Beggar said:
As this may be the forum I post the most in, I thought I'd introduce myself here as well. I've read all the threads of this forum prior to joining. I'm here to form friendships and grow with others to the glory of God. I don't play games. If someone is contentious I will stop communicating with them and will not get sucked into "proving" they are rude. I believe most things have more than a binary choice, but not always. I have a good sense of humor as well. I live in AZ. I'm married with two wonderful children. I'm glad to meet you.

Welcome on board Poor Beggar.

Concerning your binary views, would you agree with Jesus? 'Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters' (Matt 12:30 NIV)

Oz

Poor Beggar · Aug 31, 2015

OzSpen said:
Welcome on board Poor Beggar.

Concerning your binary views, would you agree with Jesus? 'Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters' (Matt 12:30 NIV)

Oz

Sure.

Poor Beggar · Aug 31, 2015

OzSpen said:
Welcome on board Poor Beggar.

Concerning your binary views, would you agree with Jesus? 'Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters' (Matt 12:30 NIV)

Oz

Just saw this on another thread and it visually presents what I think a lot of people get trapped in.

nonaeroterraqueous · Aug 31, 2015

Poor Beggar said:
Just saw this on another thread and it visually presents what I think a lot of people get trapped in.
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Actually, the square is more true than the circle. A cylinder is a square along two axis, but the circle is only true along one.

And...the image you provided is still only two-dimensional, even despite the relief shading, so I would say that the so-called cylinder in the middle is also untrue.

The truest image of a three-dimensional object is taken from a four-dimensional point of view, which is impossible for us. Stop trying to pigeonhole us into your limited way of thinking!

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