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blessedbe

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HI Everyone!

I've been on CF for a while now. When I first came to CF, I put my icon as a plain ole' christian, since I don't particularly like the idea of "denominations". I grew up Quaker, but as I matured in my belief, I found I don't really hold to many of the traditional quaker beliefs, so I looked around and started going to a non-denominational church who's main goal is reaching to the un-churched in the area. It's an awesome church, and I'm very happy there; the issue is this--the pastors there have really gotten me to dig deep and figure out what I really believe,and what I don't. As a result, I am being baptised this Saturday(as some of you may know, the Quakers don't practice baptism), and I put on a new icon--the Calvinist! Yet the church I go to doesn't teach Calvinism.....anyone else in this boat???

Alot of the sermons are geared towards the new christian, or non-believer, so I wonder if they don't teach it because this sort of thing is confusing to a new believer. However, during the Wednesday services, which are geared toward Christians and helping us grow, I haven't heard much one way or the other about free-will. I have a suspicion that they teach "free-will" though.

Does anyone else have this problem? Do you think I should "do" something about it. Other than the non-calvinist approach, I love everything about this church.

I have just recently come to the Calvinistic way of thinking myself...I'll be lurking around here to learn more, and ask questions......
 

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blessedbe said:
Alot of the sermons are geared towards the new christian, or non-believer, so I wonder if they don't teach it because this sort of thing is confusing to a new believer. However, during the Wednesday services, which are geared toward Christians and helping us grow, I haven't heard much one way or the other about free-will. I have a suspicion that they teach "free-will" though.

Does anyone else have this problem? Do you think I should "do" something about it. Other than the non-calvinist approach, I love everything about this church.
Hi, good to have you on board! :) Your suspicions are most likely correct. They probably don't teach it simply because they don't believe it, and do hold to a "free-will" salvation paradigm, which is what you'll find in most non-denominational churches. Should you do something? Well, I look at it like this: you shouldn't compromise what you believe, especially about such a crucial doctrine like this, but if you don't and are very vocal and attempt to "convert" others, you're probably not going to fit in very well there. You'll be uncomfortable and maybe not too welcome. The fact is, there just aren't many good churches available these days, even among the more conservative Calvinist denominations like the OPC and RPCNA. But if I were you, I'd look into them. You might have to settle for a PCA, but that would still be much closer and you'd be a lot more edified and able to serve them in return. Just my .02 cents.
 
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blessedbe said:
HI Everyone!

I've been on CF for a while now. When I first came to CF, I put my icon as a plain ole' christian, since I don't particularly like the idea of "denominations". I grew up Quaker, but as I matured in my belief, I found I don't really hold to many of the traditional quaker beliefs, so I looked around and started going to a non-denominational church who's main goal is reaching to the un-churched in the area. It's an awesome church, and I'm very happy there; the issue is this--the pastors there have really gotten me to dig deep and figure out what I really believe,and what I don't. As a result, I am being baptised this Saturday(as some of you may know, the Quakers don't practice baptism), and I put on a new icon--the Calvinist! Yet the church I go to doesn't teach Calvinism.....anyone else in this boat???

Alot of the sermons are geared towards the new christian, or non-believer, so I wonder if they don't teach it because this sort of thing is confusing to a new believer. However, during the Wednesday services, which are geared toward Christians and helping us grow, I haven't heard much one way or the other about free-will. I have a suspicion that they teach "free-will" though.

Does anyone else have this problem? Do you think I should "do" something about it. Other than the non-calvinist approach, I love everything about this church.

I have just recently come to the Calvinistic way of thinking myself...I'll be lurking around here to learn more, and ask questions......
I too am a Calvinist but attend a non-calvinist church. To me, it's not that big of an issue. Remember, Calvinism is not a religion but a theology and in any given church there will be differences of opinion on theological issues. I think God puts us exactly where he wants us to be in every circumstance so if you really feel comfortable at your church, why leave? That being said, if you feel you are being led somewhere else, I'd pray about it and be willing to follow where he leads. Not sure if that helps or not :confused:

Blessings...
 
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cygnusx1

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Glad to have you on board blessedbe !!!

Personally,I'd stay right where you are,you sound like your in a good Church,stick with it.Christians matter much more than a great understanding of scripture,you may even find an opening to discuss these things!

Perhaps if you start with the security of salvation,most Christians believe this,if they don't,you have some problems.
Perhaps you could read a few really good books (A W Pink.The Sovereignty Of God) and then pass them to your friends ,just don't expect too much too soon.

Also have a look at the issue of Evangelism,I just watched a tremendous video about Evangelism,by Ray Comfort,it's called 'Hell's Best Kept Secret'.
Now I doubt if Ray Comfort is a Calvinist,but boy is he hot on the Law as a means of bringing the sinner to Christ!

Try to see the bigger picture,you have friends where you are,you are being fed where you are,and until the Lord says move, I would stay put!

That is my advice,and I think I have told you what the Lord would want.
Glad to have you on board!!!:wave:
 
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blessedbe

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Thanks for all of your support and advice guys!!!

I am very happy where i am now, and I don't really feel like I'm being led anywhere else right now. I do know one thing, that someone mentioned, they do teach that Salvation cannot be lost. One thing I do like is that our pastor is very clear that that doesn't get anyone "off the hook" -so to speak- when it comes to sin. They are very much into making sure everyone is growing in their understanding of the bible and he's pretty open about the mission of the church. One day he even told the congregation that if they didn't support the great commission, then maybe they were in the wrong church! the church "motto" is "to turn irreligious people into fully devoted followers of Christ". We really focus on reaching out to the un-churched in the area, and the church is growing tremendously. I was frankly a bit nervous about going to a big modern church like this one, but I've found that they are very biblically based and don't beat around the bush with stuff. No "new age" stuff, you know... About the only thing I've grown to disagree with them on is the free-will issue, but it's not like the pastors expound on it all the time or anything. I guess I would have an issue if they really pushed it, but they don't. It's funny that this church is the reason I've really started to study the bible more and really try to get a foundation on my beliefs!! So anyway, I think that I am right where I need to be right now...who knows what the future holds, right?

again, thanks for the great welcome and I hope to get to know you all much better!!
 
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blessedbe... you can find many many awesome Reformed sources on the internet, in fact, someone recommended AW Pink's The Sovereignty of God, and I would agree, thats a great book to start... and best of all, you can read it for free at http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Sovereignty/sovereignty.htm
this and many many other AW Pink books are at http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/pinks_archive.htm

in fact, i would venture to say that there is a vertiable lifetime of reading works from our tradition online... at the site mentioned above you can also read the works of RL Dabney, John Gill... and you can go to http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/baptist.htm for may other Reformed Baptist's... and of course, one of the most famous preachers of all time, Charles Spurgeon has a huge number of available materials on the web, http://www.spurgeon.org/

another well known Reformed Baptist was none other than John Bunyan, writer of Pilgrim's Progress, this and other books of his are avaialable online

as far as other Reformed writers go, ie conservative Presbyterians etc, again, their is a wealth of information, one of my fav sites is http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/index.html tons!! of good stuff....

also, we Reformed have an awesome heritage in the writings of the Puritans, read John Owen and you will be just blown away, truly he was the Prince of the Puritans.. absolutley brilliant as we as being pious and consecrated one of the most devastating critiques of Arminianism ever written was by John Owen, it is called "The Death of Death in the Death of Christ", it is online at
http://www.graciouscall.org/books/owen/death/toc.html

other sites:

http://www.monergism.com/

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/

you haven't lived until you have cramped your brain by reading America's greatest Christian theologian and philosopher, Jonathan Edwards...
http://www.jonathanedwards.com/


that ought to keep you busy for awhile!! LOL!! :)
 
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blessedbe said:
whew, Ken, you're gonna keep me busy....LOL Thanks for the info, gonna print this all out!!
Hi there ,blessedbe, Ken has given you some great pointers, but Just a freindly tip, don't start with Owen , he is quite heavy (meat), begin with Pink, Spurgeon then Calvin on Predestination.
Then perhaps John Gill "the Cause of God and Truth"


Then my recommendations for the Puritans are Elisha Coles ...God's Sovereignty.
Pilgrims Progress and Reprobation asserted by Bunyan.
Then Christopher Ness "Antidote Against Arminianism" ,
Anything by Thomas Watson.


God Bless your studies.

cygnus :wave:
 
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