New Apostolic church?

[stephenc]

Something going in town called "The New Apostoilic church". Anyone heard of this? What are they about?

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Just off the top of my head, without knowing anything about it, I'd say it's probably one of the pentecostal groups that call themselves "Apostolic", rather a true Apostolic church by our definition. Or it could be an "emergent" church that is using some of the ancient practices.



Mary

 

[stephenc]

Thanks anyway; I think I found 'em on the net, but I'm none the wiser, really.

 

[Simon_Templar]

Hmm.

They seem to have begun back in the late 1800's out of some sort of pentecostal type revelation about the rediscovery of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, yet they went kind of the opposite direction as most other pentecostals.

They apparently still have a liturgical and sacramental worship, though they only acknoledge three sacraments. They have apostles who lead the church, I would assume they function like bishops I guess.

They do not have apostolic succession as their church was founded by some guy who felt he was called to be an apostle by the Holy Spirit and apparently wasn't ordained by any existing line. (thats assuming that they didn't seek ordination later, which I would doubt).

It appears that they also do services for the dead, which is pretty odd for a pentecostal type group.

 

[Albion]

The New Apostolic Church is an offshoot of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and it is apparently growing. I'm not surprised that a parish is located near you because it seems as though I run into one in city after city where I visit or travel.

Although the church is associated with tongues-speaking, it is not a Pentecostal church. The movement was begun in the 1800s with an experience of tongues-speaking, but this is not something normal for members. It was taken as a sign from God signalling the coming of the end times, but not something to be imitated by everyone. And you will not find it in a typical NAC worship service.

Services are remotedly like those of liturgical churches, formal and dignified, although not very ceremonial. The use of the word "Apostolic" is not meant in either the way that churches in Apostolic Succession or the Pentecostal churches mean it. Instead, the expected beginning of the end times was to be accompanied by the appointment of twelve new Apostles to lead the church, and that is the reason for the word "Apostolic."

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

Something going in town called "The New Apostoilic church". Anyone heard of this? What are they about?

Seems like an oxymoron; Apostolic churches, by nature, go back to the Apostles, which makes them Ancient and not new.

 

[Ave Maria]

Hmm.

They seem to have begun back in the late 1800's out of some sort of pentecostal type revelation about the rediscovery of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, yet they went kind of the opposite direction as most other pentecostals.

They apparently still have a liturgical and sacramental worship, though they only acknoledge three sacraments. They have apostles who lead the church, I would assume they function like bishops I guess.

They do not have apostolic succession as their church was founded by some guy who felt he was called to be an apostle by the Holy Spirit and apparently wasn't ordained by any existing line. (thats assuming that they didn't seek ordination later, which I would doubt).

It appears that they also do services for the dead, which is pretty odd for a pentecostal type group.

What three sacraments does this "apostolic" church recognize? Any true apostolic church would recognize all seven sacraments.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Although the church is associated with tongues-speaking, it is not a Pentecostal church. The movement was begun in the 1800s with an experience of tongues-speaking, but this is not something normal for members. It was taken as a sign from God signalling the coming of the end times, but not something to be imitated by everyone. And you will not find it in a typical NAC worship service.

Hmmm. Never heard that one before. Interesting

1Corinthians 13:8 The Love not-then is failing: whether yet prophecies, they shall be being discarded/kat-arghqhsontai <2673> (5701); whether tongues they shall be ceasing/resting/pausontai <3973> (5695), whether knowledge, it shall be being discarded/katarghqhsetai <2673> (5701).
10 Whenver may be coming the maturity/perfection/finish, the out of part shall be being discarded/katarghqhsetai <2673> (5701)

Hebrews 8:13 In the to be saying `New,' He hath made Old/pepalaiwken <3822> the first. The yet being aged/palaioumenon <3822> and being obsolete/ghraskon <1095> nigh/egguV <1451> of disappearance/afanismou <854>

 

[Albion]

What three sacraments does this "apostolic" church recognize? Any true apostolic church would recognize all seven sacraments.

Go back and read the meaning of "Apostolic" in this case. The three are Holy Baptism, Holy Communion, and Holy Sealing.

P.S. The "seven"sacraments weren't settled upon by any Church until about 1200 years after Christ.

 

[Sphinx777]

"The New Apostolic Church (NAC) is a chiliastic church, existing since 1879 in Germany and since 1897 in the Netherlands. It came forth from the Hamburg schism in 1863 in the Catholic Apostolic Church, which was founded in 1847 in England and started in the 1830s as a renewal movement in, among others, the Anglican Church and Church of Scotland..."

 

[ImmersionX]

Not to be confused with the "New Apostolic Reformation" churches. Which is most definately Pentecostal in origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

 

[catherine777]

QUOTE="Albion, post: 44350735, member: 93831"]The New Apostolic Church is an offshoot of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and it is apparently growing. I'm not surprised that a parish is located near you because it seems as though I run into one in city after city where I visit or travel.

Although the church is associated with tongues-speaking, it is not a Pentecostal church. The movement was begun in the 1800s with an experience of tongues-speaking, but this is not something normal for members. It was taken as a sign from God signalling the coming of the end times, but not something to be imitated by everyone. And you will not find it in a typical NAC worship service.

Services are remotedly like those of liturgical churches, formal and dignified, although not very ceremonial. The use of the word "Apostolic" is not meant in either the way that churches in Apostolic Succession or the Pentecostal churches mean it. Instead, the expected beginning of the end times was to be accompanied by the appointment of twelve new Apostles to lead the church, and that is the reason for the word "Apostolic."[/QUOTE]
Wow i did not know it.i started my religious journey from that church before getting truly converted. However in receiving their holy spirit sealing sacrament i experienced power.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

The New Apostolic Church is an offshoot of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and it is apparently growing. I'm not surprised that a parish is located near you because it seems as though I run into one in city after city where I visit or travel.

Although the church is associated with tongues-speaking, it is not a Pentecostal church. The movement was begun in the 1800s with an experience of tongues-speaking, but this is not something normal for members. It was taken as a sign from God signalling the coming of the end times, but not something to be imitated by everyone. And you will not find it in a typical NAC worship service.

Services are remotedly like those of liturgical churches, formal and dignified, although not very ceremonial. The use of the word "Apostolic" is not meant in either the way that churches in Apostolic Succession or the Pentecostal churches mean it. Instead, the expected beginning of the end times was to be accompanied by the appointment of twelve new Apostles to lead the church, and that is the reason for the word "Apostolic."

In Canada, they are shrinking in numbers, both members, and congregations.

They are a form of Pentecostalism.

 

[Albion]

In Canada, they are shrinking in numbers, both members, and congregations.

They are a form of Pentecostalism.

You know, when this thread suddenly sprang back to life, I re-read that post of mine from 7 1/2 years ago and wondered about what I had written concerning the New Apostolic Church growing.

At the time, it seemed to be growing internationally, but in the years since, the church has been wracked with dissension and I have witnessed one after another of the local congregations around here closing their doors and selling the buildings.

I still think that it's a stretch to consider them to be "Pentecostal," as we normally understand that term. This has been confirmed for me by a cleric in that church tradition. Plus, you can sit through an entire worship service and not see a single hint of anything we would expect in even a moderately Pentecostal church such as the Assemblies of God.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

You know, when this thread suddenly sprang back to life, I re-read that post of mine from 7 1/2 years ago and wondered about what I had written concerning the New Apostolic Church growing.

At the time, it seemed to be growing internationally, but in the years since, the church has been wracked with dissension and I have witnessed one after another of the local congregations around here closing their doors and selling the buildings.

I still think that it's a stretch to consider them to be "Pentecostal," as we normally understand that term. This has been confirmed for me by a cleric in that church tradition. Plus, you can sit through an entire worship service and not see a single hint of anything we would expect in even a moderately Pentecostal church such as the Assemblies of God.

I know very little about them, but there is an emphasis on the gifts of the Spirit. Pentecostalism need not always be associated with "charismatic" either. The congregation here always dressed very conservatively, and never tried to raid other congregations. The "Pentecostals" and other Churches of like mind in our community do raid from each other, and congregations do wax and wain; they do seem to be more loyal to the personalities that lead, than they do to the particular theology.

One may consider them more theologically Pentecostal, but structurally, more restorationist.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Just read up a little bit on it on Wikipedia... what an odd group. Especially this Third Sacrament of theirs, "Holy Sealing". It seems like all churches either acknowledge two or seven sacraments.