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Hi before I tell my question. My name is Kristina I'm new here :wave:
Okay so my question is can we have unbeliever friends? this scripture was pondering in my head. "The righteous should choose his friends carefully, for the way of the wicked leads them astray" (Pv12:26). Now my brother is not one with GOD but I mean I'm around him all the time. And he's an unbeliever. plus this scripture also "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple" Luke 14:26 I am pretty confused I gave my life to the LORD but um do I have to hate my mother and father and etc I don't understand :confused: can someone help me out.
 

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Yes you can have unbeliever friends. We are called as Christians to reach out to those that don't know Jesus and this requires us to be friends with those people. I think what that scripture is saying is that you should also surround yourself with friends that are believers too that can help you grow in your faith. This can take the form of a church, a youth group, or just like a little club/get together.

The scripture in Luke that you provided is talking about being a disciple of Jesus. If you want to follow Jesus, you must love Him above those people mentioned: your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters. This is called having a relationship with Jesus Christ. It's not to say you must hate those people in your life; no not at all. In fact, Jesus wants us to love our family. But, we must love Jesus so much above our family that it the gap in relationship should be like hating. So this passage has nothing to do with our relationships with our family but is only focusing on our relationship with Jesus and it should be above everything else.

I hope I've answered your questions thoroughly! I'll check back if I haven't.

God bless!

(Much better :) )
 
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Hi ElectricThundah, welcome to CF. To expand on madetoworship's great comments. How I read the scripture you noted (Pv12:26), is that you should avoid the WICKED ways, not the unbelievers. You can certainly live among unbelievers in hopes of your exemplar ways leading to a witness (Matthew 5:16). However, to avoid wicked one's, as their seemingly course of action is to do only bad, and possibly corrupt you as well.
 
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Hi before I tell my question. My name is Kristina I'm new here :wave:
Okay so my question is can we have unbeliever friends? this scripture was pondering in my head. "The righteous should choose his friends carefully, for the way of the wicked leads them astray" (Pv12:26). Now my brother is not one with GOD but I mean I'm around him all the time. And he's an unbeliever. plus this scripture also "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple" Luke 14:26 I am pretty confused I gave my life to the LORD but um do I have to hate my mother and father and etc I don't understand :confused: can someone help me out.

Love God above all else, love your neighbour as yourself. Even to love our enemies. You see, there is really no hating. Only to love them.

Now, their wicked ways you must avoid. Do not do as they do.
 
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Yes, you can have friends and family that are non-believers. In fact, it is important for us to represent Christianity to them through our words and especially our actions. Jesus spent quite a bit of time with the sinners and the lost during His ministry. We just need to be careful that we aren't "lead astray" by worldy, sinful patterns. However, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy music, movies, and other things with them that aren't specifically Christian.
 
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I'm so glad you asked that question Kristina cos I've just become a Christian in the last few weeks & I have the same questions as you. I do want to leave my old life behind so I made a new facebook page (New Christian) with.... 0 friends! I was thinking this is not going to work! I think I'm just afraid of telling my old friends what has happened to me! So, maybe need more courage & trust in God that he will give me the strength I need to face my old world with the new me? What do you think?
 
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Welcome to CF delvida. Not to elaborate too deeply, after all, this is Kristina's thread. I would simply say that if your friends do not accept you for the betterment of yourself, then how true a friends can they be. True friends would be encouraging and actively helping to see you through the process. What sort of an "old life" are you trying to elude from? And yes of course, prayers certainly do help.
 
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So, maybe need more courage & trust in God that he will give me the strength I need to face my old world with the new me? What do you think?
Mark 5:1-20 tells of Jesus healing a demon possessed man. Here is what he said to the man.
As he was getting into the boat, the man who had been possessed with demons begged him that he might be with him. And he did not permit him but said to him, “Go home to your friends and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him, and everyone marveled.
(Mark 5:18-20 ESV)

 
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ElectricThundah-

The people whom we are warned not to associate with are not people 'of the world'. They're people who claim to be fellow Christians, but at the same time are attempting to lead others astray through their actions:

I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people - not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. (I Corinthians 5:9-13a,NIV)

What those who are nonbelievers do is between them and God himself. Our responsibility is to live our own lives in such a manner that those who are nonbelievers will be drawn to it, seeing it as more desirable than the lifestyle which they now practise.

And that does not occur through our 'hitting them over the head' with our religious beliefs. It occurs through our own words and actions having as their source the motivations which God himself wants to be our new nature:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

Note that many of the 'acts of the sinful nature' aren't actions in-and-of themselves. Instead, they're the underlying motivations which eventually culminate in the commission of sinful acts. Motivations such as hatred, jealousy, and dissensions can't lead to the performance of righteous acts anymore than a poisoned tree can yield good fruit. And this includes even those actions which some who claim to be religious would attempt to have us accept as God-willed.

It is when our words and actions have as their impetus those motivations listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit', and only then, that those words and actions have assurance of conforming to what God wants of us. It's not enough for us to do the right things; we must also do them for the right reasons. And the right reasons are the motivations listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit'. Their supreme importance to properly living a Christlike life is underscored by the words which immediately follow them: "Against such things there is no law."

And it is also when the motivations listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit' are the impetus for what we say and do that we attract even nonbelievers to us. Many of them associate Christianity with judgementalism, legalism, and even elitism over anyone who isn't also a Christian. But when instead they encounter Christians who exhibit 'the fruit of the Spirit' they are pleasantly surprised, as well as drawn to those motivations.
 
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delvida said in post 6:

I think I'm just afraid of telling my old friends what has happened to me!

That is a normal fear, for it is likely that they will not understand your new faith, and could say some mean things to you:

"Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you" (1 Peter 4:4).

But we have to be willing to give up our old friends completely, that we might follow our Savior, Jesus Christ:

"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ" (Philippians 3:8).

And as Christians, we can look for, and find, many wonderful, new friends at church.
 
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Great advice above.

"The righteous should choose his friends carefully, for the way of the wicked leads them astray" (Pv12:26).

I think your hardest challenges will not be with the blatantly evil, but with close friends that you respect. You do not need to leave anyone unless they are doing intolerable things. But being yourself can be tricky when people expect certain behavior from you. That is true of anyone, but can add a challenge when you start to shift.

Say for instance, your friends always join in criticizing someone. You might see this as unfair or spiraled out of control, but it's hard to draw the line and say, "Okay guys, too much."

It's great practice to take stands in small ways with friends, because that makes you stronger for jobs, spouses, children, and other things you'll need to encounter in life. Let people know who you are, and take a few risks. Confidence can be attractive, so stand strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.

There are some good teachings on associating with people you want to learn from, who bring out the best in you... this video might explain a little further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAdDdluEq68

Myles Munroe - Keys To Reaching Your Destiny - YouTube
 
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