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[Needing_info]

What do historical liberalists say about how they viewed the Bible?

 

[seebs]

Luminiferous ether.

 

[CaDan]

They often viewed it from the backs of their pterodactyls as they cruised the cloudless skies above the Holy Land.

 

[McCravey]

What do historical liberalists say about how they viewed the Bible?

We probably should begin with how Christ viewed the bible.

He showed the Scribes and the Pharisees that he knew them well and that they all pointed to the Messiah.

The scriptures tell the story of Jesus and point to him (or at least those I'm interested in)

I'm not sure about the "liberal" historian part though. I'm not sure we could easily identifiy them...most historical writings other than the Traditional ones were discouraged and destroyed (sometimes the people with them)

Reference: Fox's book of Martyrs

 

[Toney]

I'm just hoping someone will explain to me what a historical liberalist is.

 

[CaDan]

I'm just hoping someone will explain to me what a historical liberalist is.

An anglification of Liberalista?



I heard a rumour it was going to be the Clash's follow-up to Sandinista

 

[Toney]

CaDan, ¿Ooh es más macho, Benicio del Toro o Clash?

Btw, thanks for the elusificating liberalist rendering.

 

[Needing_info]

The point is I am trying to find out what a Liberal Historian is and what they wrote or said about the Bible. I guess they would be those who are not evangelicals.

 

[CaDan]

The point is I am trying to find out what a Liberal Historian is and what they wrote or said about the Bible. I guess they would be those who are not evangelicals.

I'm not that knowledgable about Old Testament.

For New Testament, you should start with Martin Dibelius, From Tradition to Gospel for form criticism and Rudolf Bultmann, The History of the Synoptic Tradition for source criticism.

What do they say in general? Probably the idea linking all the "Liberal Historians" is the idea that the writers of the NT were people JUST LIKE US doing the best they could with the tools they had to edify, educate, and evangelize.

 

[Needing_info]

But then the question would be, even though Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote the gospels, Jesus taught many things. Are you then saying he was just like us?

 

[seebs]

But then the question would be, even though Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote the gospels, Jesus taught many things. Are you then saying he was just like us?

No. How did you get from the people who wrote the stories about Jesus down to Jesus? Stories about Jesus are not Jesus.

 

[Needing_info]

but then some believe the entire Bible is the inspired word of God. That is why people believe there are no mistakes, no contradictions in the Bible. Humans did the writing, but the words came straight from God.

 

[Toney]

but then some believe the entire Bible is the inspired word of God. That is why people believe there are no mistakes, no contradictions in the Bible. Humans did the writing, but the words came straight from God.

Most historians, liberal or not, would consider that notion absurd.

 

[Needing_info]

So then, the liberal and general view is that God did not have a hand in the Bible?

 

[CaDan]

So then, the liberal and general view is that God did not have a hand in the Bible?

You will get a lot further with this if you just stop misstating people's positions.

Toney did not say that; and I did not previously say that Jesus was "just like us." (although the case could be made that one must affirm that to avoid the heresy of Docetism ).

 

[Needing_info]

I am not trying to misstate peopl'e positions. I guess I am kind of jumping around though. I'm basically trying to figure out what you all think about those particualr topics. I really just want information and I need it right away. Unfortuantley, I seem to be having trouble communicating what kind of information I want. Either I am too general or I seem to be upsetting people.

 

[Toney]

Perhaps you are writing a school paper and need the info quickly. We are happy to oblige. Personal details in your profile are scant. Would you mind letting us know what grade you are in so that we can communicate more effectively?

There is a method of Biblical interpretation called Literal-Historical (sometimes grammatical is tossed in). You may be confusing that with liberal historians. In addition to the sources CaDan listed, we should add another two. Both Michael Goulder and Bishop John Spong (among others) have convinced me that the Midrash interpretation of the Bible (this is a liberal position) is essential to understanding the word of God.

Spong or Crossan, I can't remember which, calls the Bible "prophecy historicized" rather than "history remembered." This essentially is the definition of midrashic interpretation. I hope this helps a little.

God bless you.

 

[Needing_info]

I am in my third year of College. My paper is one of five on the same question. I am looking at what people throughout history have said about my question. That is the first paper and it is due on Friday. Unfortunatley, my school's library is quite limited on the liberal side of my question. My question is: What are the liberal and evangelical views of Scripture and which is valid?

 

[Toney]

Thanks for the background info. I'll give you my take as soon as the Yankee's lead comfortably in tonight's game.

 

[CaDan]

Perhaps you are writing a school paper and need the info quickly. We are happy to oblige. Personal details in your profile are scant. Would you mind letting us know what grade you are in so that we can communicate more effectively?

There is a method of Biblical interpretation called Literal-Historical (sometimes grammatical is tossed in). You may be confusing that with liberal historians. In addition to the sources CaDan listed, we should add another two. Both Michael Goulder and Bishop John Spong (among others) have convinced me that the Midrash interpretation of the Bible (this is a liberal position) is essential to understanding the word of God.

Spong or Crossan, I can't remember which, calls the Bible "prophecy historicized" rather than "history remembered." This essentially is the definition of midrashic interpretation. I hope this helps a little.

God bless you.

That's a Spong phrase.