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any chance i could convince you to let a licensed psychiatrist examine her first? these....for lack of a better word exorcisms dont always leave the person you exorcise uninjured.
Lol.... I am not tying her to a bed and going through a hollywood form of exorcism. We are gathering members of local clergy together to do bible studies in order to build her faith. Her faith is the defense against it. And we will simply cast it out. There is no need for physical aggression.
Furthermore... how would a psychiatrist explain what the other witnesses heard? How would he explain what her husband... who is an atheist... witnessed? I've known this person for 15 years. She's not mentally ill. She's under assault.
Before you make any attempt to cast this spirit out , look up Familiar spirits on line , this will direct to scriptures in the Bible dealing with such issues .
By playing with the occult , and even with the psychic , without knowing it she gave the demon entry to her life .
Many Christians have never had any experience with supernatural things , I grew up the daughter of a Pentecostals minister with a Grandmother who pastored a Pentecostals church . I have witnessed demons being cased out of people on occasions , I have seen them talking through people . I know what you are speaking of is very real . Satan is a deceiver the Bible refers to him as the father of all lies . One of his greatest deceptions has been to convince the word that he does not exist .
You must get a copy of the Deliverance manual by Gene Moody . I think it may be available on line as well . This ministered published this manual many years ago to help with situation like this . I Pray that it helps .
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Brothers and Sisters , how can we say we are Christians when we don't believe the word of God , the very thing we base out faith on . My faith is not based on what I see or what my mine or the mines of carnal men think . it is based on the literal Word of God , and every word of it is true.
Did not even Jesus have encounters with satan , and demons . The spirit word excise. Angels and fallen angels ( demons) , or is the bible a lie or a fable .
Do you believe some of the word and doubt the remain , and if so what part do you believe to be true , and by what measure are you wise enough to divide the truth.
I encourage each and every one of us to study the Word and ask God to give us a ear to hear and understand what the spirit is saying , to continually develop our relationships with our awesome God.
Lol.... I am not tying her to a bed and going through a hollywood form of exorcism. We are gathering members of local clergy together to do bible studies in order to build her faith. Her faith is the defense against it. And we will simply cast it out. There is no need for physical aggression.
we have not yet established that this is anything more then a psychological problem, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this person say merely believes she was possessed. my concern for the persons safety overrides my intrigue into the occult.
Others have witnessed it. Not only internally but externally. ... And once again.... it cannot explain the fact that others have experienced and witnessed it. The fact is.... a spirit/demon is assaulting her.
And if you treat a spiritual problem like it's a psychiatric problem, you can make the spiritual problem worse.
I'm not saying that it IS possession - because I don't know that it is. I'm just saying that qua your doctrinal stance, your opinion doesn't really count for much, since for you the matter is already settled a priori.
You're yanking the guy's chain, and you know it.
Oh no.. I'm not playing this game with you.
And I'm not going to let you paint me as someone who sees demons everywhere. Especially not when I've pointed out more than once that it's not certain that it IS a demon.
How old is the woman plagued by the demon? Also, have there been any significant changes in her life prior to her troubles, good or bad? These are important, psychologically and spiritually. I am not mocking you or any other such nonsense, I assure you, I will approach this from all angles. From what you described in your first post, this sounds almost more like a haunting than a possession. That she moved to a new house is critical, to test for the difference between a haunting and a possession, if she leaves the house this crap should not happen to her until she returns. In a possession, it follows you no matter where you go. Any recent deaths, both in or around the house as well as anyone she knows would also be good to know about. The occult stuff that far back shouldn't do anything, especially considering she didn't do it in the house.
I also say haunting more than exorcism because the more attention given to it, the worse it continued to get. Hauntings are fueled and worsened by strong emotions and attention, so the more you pay attention to them, the worse they get. Change triggers them too.
As far as I am aware, you can't really exorcise hauntings, but you can live with them so long as you are mindful of it. Most will calm down to a livable degree so long as you keep the environment stable and stop paying attention to it.
But if it is really one of these two things, it is critical to find out which one because all that I said is precisely what not to do with a possession. Possessive entities seek to isolate and tire their victims, which they attach to and follow wherever they go. Houses can be possessed, as can other objects, and worse possession can transfer, unlike a haunting which is confined typically to one item or person.
As for the Jesus thing... it is actually fairly common for violent hauntings to react to that stuff similarly to how you would expect a demon to, especially if it fits the religion of the geographic area. A thing to try would be to bring in a religious article that isn't Christian. Perhaps a little Buddha figure, or a Hindu luck charm? Demon related hauntings and possessions react to those differently than hauntings sourced differently, though I won't tell you how least the crafty things try to imitate your expectations. Not until you see the results or hear about them. I warn you though, doing that could make things escalate very quickly, and you should probably have some cameras around.
I know you're very concerned about her, and that should take priority, but if you could provide evidence of this demon, it could be a powerful testimony to unbelievers like me.
Thanks for the advice. I will dive in and try to determine more about the situation. As far as I can tell.... this thing is attached to her. The symptoms elevated when they moved. Which indicates a haunting. But it has reached a point it follows her everywhere.
There are no recent deaths to my knowledge. But her mother has been battling cancer and lives with them. The demon has been telling her that it is the cause of her mothers cancer. It has her completely freaked out. I've told her that it unlikely. The fact is... we are mortal. We live and then we die. IMO the demon is simply trying to wear her down. She went from a very positive person to very self hating. And of course it's actually manifesting itself to her... and others... indicating it's latched on. Demons do not typically manifest themselves in physical form. They simply don't need to. But in this case.... it is.... in a variety of ways. The point is terror. It's intimidating her. And showing power over her.
Thanks for the reply. I will try to gather more information. But I am not inclined to use camera's etc. As I mentioned before.... this happened to someone else I know... and though I had no part in it... the focus of the victim as well as those trying to help her.... because investigation rather than eliminating it. Therefore the spirit grew with her. She became fascinated by it. She began speaking to it all the time. And now it dominates her life. She tells it she loves it. It speaks lies to her. It's ruined much of her family ties etc etc etc.
I don't want that to happen here. I'm not looking to prove anything to the greater community. Nor am I interested in encouraging her to do so. If we involve camera's etc.... the footage will be destroyed when we are done. This will not turn into some "high stakes ghost hunters." This is real. And it's a real life. This is not some minor fascination with noises, sounds, and things that go bump in the night. This is destroying her mentally and physically.
I believe in the power of god. I believe in the wisdom and faith of those we've assembled. I believe god called us to cast out spirits in his name. And I'm hopeful that we can do so. More... I'm hopeful we can build her up so that if/when it comes back.... she will have a defense in god.
Do what you like, but mental health professionals are trained to diagnose issues, that you or others can't.
They are not trained in spiritual matters.
I regret to inform you that even most religious officials wouldn't know how to deal with this sort of problem. It is to religion as cryptozoology is to life science. Mostly viewed as silly and an embarrassment.
I agree that many religious officials would not know how to deal with this problem. Religion is man mad , and many times does not agree with scripture . However the Bible supports the existence of demons. I know it to be true, I have witnessed it in services more than once.
Lol.... I am not tying her to a bed and going through a hollywood form of exorcism. We are gathering members of local clergy together to do bible studies in order to build her faith. Her faith is the defense against it. And we will simply cast it out. There is no need for physical aggression.
Furthermore... how would a psychiatrist explain what the other witnesses heard? How would he explain what her husband... who is an atheist... witnessed? I've known this person for 15 years. She's not mentally ill. She's under assault.
I am sure there is plenty of evidence out there if you choose to look. This is not a situation to be exploited for the discussion of others. Especially considering that if we approach it.... and we are tempted to use it for that purpose... we may encourage it. As I previously stated.... I'm currently in a state of fasting and prayer. I'm disciplining myself and getting deeper into the word. I would not want to turn this into a circus. The goal is to cast this thing out and give her a defense against it in the future. I believe it will be a long process requiring much prayer and bible study.
But in all honesty... if you want evidence of these things I'm sure there is some available. Personally... I had never encountered anything like this before becoming a Christian.
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