KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
One final note, every atom has a nucleus, it contains protons (positive charge) and neutrons (no charge, no mass).
That's right, except that neutrons do have mass.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
Around the nucleus, there are orbiting electons (negative charge).
That's right, except that electrons don't so much "orbit" the nucleus, like a planet orbiting the sun, but are more like a spherical force field that exists at the same time all around the nucleus.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
If these electrons stopped orbiting, they would collapse into the nucleus as the opposite charge of the electron and proton attract each other the way satellites fall back to earth when the lose orbit.
If that happened, a proton would simply become a neutron.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
Now, the neutrons have absolutely no reason to remain attached to the protons. None whatsoever. They have no charge and no mass, yet they stay. Some force keeps them there.
That force is called the strong nuclear force, one of the four fundamental forces created by God, the others being electromagnetism, the weak nuclear force, and gravity.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
Even atheistic scientists call this unknown, invisible, immeasurable, undetectable force... the GOD force. If it was not there, this world , universe would not exist.
It is true that if the strong nuclear force did not exist, matter in the universe as we know it would not exist. But it is not called the God force by scientists. You may be thinking of what scientists call the God particle, also called the Higgs boson, which is what gives mass to matter. But science does indeed still need God (who is a Spirit: John 4:24), ultimately, in order to explain things scientifically at their most fundamental level. For what science is missing in its search for what it calls a "Theory of Everything" that can unify all the physical forces in the universe, is spirit. So that by continuing to exclude the whole idea of spirit, science can never hope to understand the universe at its most fundamental level or what its ultimate origin was: "As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit . . . even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all" (Ecclesiastes 11:5).
Even though spirit is not physical, the relationship between the spiritual and the physical may be analogous to the relationship between energy and matter. Just as the relationship of energy to matter is summarized by the equation e=mc^2, which means that immense amounts of energy are congealed and compacted, as it were, in order to form each tiny particle of matter, so the relationship between spirit and energy could theoretically be summarized by the equation s=ec^2, meaning that immense amounts of spirit may be congealed and compacted, as it were, in order to form each tiny photon of energy. All energy being based on spirit would make sense, for God is a Spirit (John 4:24), and in him everything consists (Colossians 1:17, Acts 17:28).
When science's equations regarding such things as the Big Bang singularity, black holes, and quantum entanglement require the inclusion of infinities, these infinities should not be seen as "failures" ultimately, but as pointers to something which goes beyond the boundaries of the physical, that is, spirit. If science ever becomes able to describe spirit mathematically using proportional numbers rather than infinities, this could lead to new technologies (for example, spiritual power plants, spiritual bombs), just as when science became able to describe atomic nuclei mathematically, this led to new technologies (for example, nuclear power plants, nuclear bombs).
Just as energy consists of both particles (photons) and waves (electromagnetic waves) at the same time, so the basis for all energy, spirit, could consist of both particles (spiritons) and waves at the same time. If spirit is equivalent to consciousness, and consciousness consists of logic, emotion, and memory, then spiritual waves could consist of three different sine waves (logic waves, emotion waves, and memory waves) which could be interlocked at 60-degree angles, just as electromagnetism consists of two different sine waves (electric waves and magnetic waves) interlocked at a 90-degree angle. But by our current, strictly-physical-based mathematics, a spiritual wave or spiriton would show up in a calculation as an infinity, and so it could be mistakenly rejected by our current science as a "failure". It is possible that by creating a mathematics which involves five dimensions of space-time, the apparently infinite value of a spiritual wave or spiriton could be reduced to a proportional value.
String Theory has shown that it is mathematically possible that space-time has more than three spatial dimensions. Because of observations such as Daniel 5:5, John 20:26b, and Luke 24:31b, the spiritual realm could be a fourth spatial dimension in which spiritual entities are able to move about without being seen by physical entities in our three spatial dimensions. The spiritual dimension would be higher than our three dimensions in the same sense that a third dimension is higher than two dimensions. And so from the spiritual realm, our physical realm would appear flat, just as from three dimensions, something in two dimensions would appear flat. An entity with access to the spiritual dimension could do such things as enter only part of himself into our physical realm (Daniel 5:5), or suddenly appear in a locked room (John 20:26b), or suddenly disappear (Luke 24:31b). This ability would apply not only to spiritual beings (1 Corinthians 15:44, Luke 24:39), but also to any spiritual wave or particle.
If spiritual particles exist, they could turn out to be "the God Particle" of science. While the Large Hadron Collider has reached a high-enough energy level so that a "God Particle" (that is, a Higgs boson) has probably manifested itself, its observed qualities might ultimately to be able to be described only by equations involving infinite values, so that its qualities and actions could ultimately be seen as "impossible" and "spooky", instead of science finally admitting to the existence of a substance which is spiritual. And spirit would not have to be seen by scientists as some weird, foreign substance, but rather as the most fundamental substance of even their own selves (1 Thessalonians 5:23).
The really sad and dangerous thing is that even if science does eventually determine that "the God Particle" is a spiritual particle, which science could come to call the "spiriton", some scientists could still refuse to believe in and submit themselves to YHWH God, saying that the existence of spirit does not require that there is one infinite, conscious spirit-being called YHWH God (John 4:24, Mark 12:30, Deuteronomy 6:5). And in its subsequent experiments with spirit, science could come into contact with the evil spirit-being called Lucifer (Satan), who could manifest himself in some future, ultra-high-energy experiment and claim that he is the true, beneficent God of mankind and must be worshipped as God instead of YHWH. In this way, a nascent spiritual science could be hijacked and employed by Lucifer and his worshippers as one part of their future deception by which the world will eventually be deceived into worshipping Lucifer (the dragon) and his human son the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) as God (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36) instead of YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36).
The unity of mankind that will occur at that future time could be like the unity of mankind that occurred at the time of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:6). And there could even be a future equivalent to the Tower of Babel, which could be built in the literal, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq). For Lucifer could show mankind how to build there a huge tower device, a spiritual machine the size of the Empire State Building which will be able to send into the sky an incredibly powerful spiritual beam analogous to a laser. Near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18/Matthew 24, Lucifer could tell mankind that it will need to employ this huge weapon during an impending battle against YHWH (Revelation 16:14b, Revelation 19:19). Mixing some science fiction with some ancient lies of Gnosticism, Lucifer could tell mankind something like:
"YHWH is now heading toward the earth in his gigantic spaceship which is shaped like a Borg Cube [compare Revelation 21:16]. He is coming to enslave you and turn you all into Borg-like automatons. But this mighty Tower Device will be able to blow his Borg Cube and him to bits with its spiritual ray. Then we can focus the Tower Device on any point of empty space until it burns in space-time a hole, a portal through which I will lead your spirits out of this vile material universe which YHWH made to be our prison. And I will lead you back up into the purely-spiritual realm of the Pleroma [that is, Heaven], where you can live as gods in bliss forever, doing as you please, just as you had done with me for all ages past, before we by mistake fell into YHWH's trap of this material universe".
Before Jesus' second coming, Lucifer could prove the power of the Tower Device to mankind by letting the Antichrist and his False Prophet use it to blow up some large asteroids and even some moons of other planets, so that mankind will go into its battle against YHWH in full confidence that it will be able to destroy him. But when the battle comes, the device will not work against YHWH (compare Psalms 21:11, KJV). Instead, Jesus Christ (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will take total victory in the battle (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6).
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
Belief in God and salvation has always been by faith and faith alone.
Initial salvation is by grace through faith without any works at all on our part (Rom. 4:1-5, Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5). But other passages show that initially saved people must have both faith & continued works of faith (1 Thes. 1:3, Gal. 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law) if they're to obtain ultimate salvation (Rom. 2:6-8, Jas. 2:24, Mt. 7:21, 25:26,30, Philip. 2:12b, 3:11-14, 2 Cor. 5:9, Heb. 5:9, 6:10-12, 2 Pet. 1:10-11, Jn. 15:2a). For believers must actually continue to do righteous deeds if they're to continue to be righteous (1 Jn. 3:7, Jas. 2:24,26). And there's no assurance believers will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Mt. 25:26,30, Jn. 15:2a).
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
However, if anyone ever wanted something as a shred, dot, crumb of truth of the existence of God. That invisible force one.
All four fundamental forces are invisible. But they are not the only evidence for God's existence. For people can know that God exists simply by seeing
everything that exists (Rom. 1:20, Ps. 19:1-4). The universe couldn't have created itself from nothing by physics, because of the first law of thermodynamics. So something outside of physics had to have created the universe. The term spirit is used to refer to that which exists but is outside of physics. So what created the universe was a spirit (Jn. 4:24, 1:3). And there has to be an uncreated spirit, because nothing, not even a spirit, can create itself from nothing, for in order to create itself, it would have to already exist. The term divine can be used to refer to a conscious entity which exists but is uncreated. So the uncreated spirit who created the universe would be divine. So just by being able to see the universe, people have no excuse for denying the existence of a divine uncreated spirit (Rom. 1:20, Jn. 4:24, Ps. 19:1-4). And this spirit must have eternal power (Rom. 1:20), because the first law of thermodynamics requires the energy in the universe is eternal.
Because knowing God exists is the only reasonable response to seeing the existence of the universe (Rom. 1:20), when educated & intelligent people refuse to admit God exists, this is only because they're intentionally choosing to be unreasonable, choosing to be foolish, regarding God's existence, because of their human pride, their unthankfulness to God, & their desire to continue in sinful actions (Rom. 1:21-22, Ps. 14:1). But there's no salvation in simply believing God exists (Jas. 2:19). Believing in Jesus Christ, the human/divine Son of God, & his sacrifice on the Cross for our sins & his rising from the dead on the 3rd day, is the only way for people to have their sins forgiven so they can avoid having to go to hell when they die (Jn. 3:16,36, Rom. 3:25, 1 Cor. 15:1-4).
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 48:
The Bible is either true and true to the letter or it is fiction and we are all lost.
The Bible is true to the letter, and nothing in it requires that evolution or an old earth is false.