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Is there a difference between truth and what is true? Because what is true certainly does change. For instance, it's true that the sky outside my window right now is blue, but soon it will no longer be true.
I already have...you remember that conversation don't you? It was in another thread. Every time I explained it to you...you stopped posting. Then you'd return the next day, ignore my post, and act like nothing happened.Interesting, explain that ontological proof to me.
I already have...you remember that conversation don't you? It was in another thread. Every time I explained it to you...you stopped posting. Then you'd return the next day, ignore my post, and act like nothing happened.
For a guy who claims to be interested in the truth, you have a habit of ignoring it and then going on like it was never presented to you.
If I explain it again...will you at least acknowledge it? Or will you just ignore it and act like it never happened?
Sorry, I honestly don't remember that conversation. Point me to where this conversation is and I'll read through it.
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/does-god-have-a-right-to-take-life.7902575/page-9
My last post on that page is one of the ones you ignored. You can read our back-and-forth leading up to it for some context if necessary. You come back to the conversation the next day I think, but only a few posts later, and act like it never happened.
If you need me to explain this again as a logical equation I can...but I don't want to bother if you're not going to address it.
Ah yes I remember that now. What your doing is blaming a perfect God for what he indirectly caused. You should be blaming the perfect beings that this perfect God created for what they directly caused when they freely chose a will oposite of the perfect God's will. These perfect beings that chose a will opposite Gods perfect will, directly caused evil. God did not directly cause evil, he indirectly caused it. So is it fair to blame something that indirectly caused evil or is it more fair to blame something that directly caused evil? Essentially God is innocent and satan is guilty.
Ah yes I remember that now. What your doing is blaming a perfect God for what he indirectly caused.
What truth has been revealed?Which you should have expected by reading the op. I said a truth would be demonstrated and it was. I acknowledge I could have went about it in a better way but I'm learning new things here and ultimatly that is the goal
Explain why god is perfect. Not something from your opinion, truth only.Ah yes I remember that now. What your doing is blaming a perfect God for what he indirectly caused. You should be blaming the perfect beings that this perfect God created for what they directly caused when they freely chose a will oposite of the perfect God's will. These perfect beings that chose a will opposite Gods perfect will, directly caused evil. God did not directly cause evil, he indirectly caused it. So is it fair to blame something that indirectly caused evil or is it more fair to blame something that directly caused evil? Essentially God is innocent and satan is guilty.
God created people who wouldn't do as he wanted.So Satan created malaria, earthquakes, and diabetes?
Because free will has nothing to do with those. It looks like you're trying to dodge the question.
He does that a lot, doesn't he? And with this new forum system, it isn't as if you don't get an "alert" that directly tells you: "Hey, here is someone who made a direct response to one of your posts."Every time I explained it to you...you stopped posting. Then you'd return the next day, ignore my post, and act like nothing happened.
For a guy who claims to be interested in the truth, you have a habit of ignoring it and then going on like it was never presented to you.
He does that a lot, doesn't he? And with this new forum system, it isn't as if you don't get an "alert" that directly tells you: "Hey, here is someone who made a direct response to one of your posts."
The main thing I don't like about internet discussions... it is just so easy to feign ignorance of a statement. Imagine that happening in a real life conversation.
Ah yes I remember that now. What your doing is blaming a perfect God for what he indirectly caused. You should be blaming the perfect beings that this perfect God created for what they directly caused when they freely chose a will oposite of the perfect God's will. These perfect beings that chose a will opposite Gods perfect will, directly caused evil. God did not directly cause evil, he indirectly caused it. So is it fair to blame something that indirectly caused evil or is it more fair to blame something that directly caused evil? Essentially God is innocent and satan is guilty.
You might not have gotten an answer from this specific person... but you did get a clear answer: from me. Post #103.I would consider assumptions that are not based on honest objective observation are false assumptions. These are the kinds of assumptions I never want to make. After honest objective observation of atheists I felt safe to assume they would bring God into a conversation about perfection first and its unclear to me why they would do this since they don't believe in God. I never got a clear answer on this because the person falsely assumed I was lying.
Rephrasing my point to something different and adding "so you're saying (something unrelated and contrary)"... not a sign of objectivity or honesty.So you're saying I shouldn't make safe assumptions after honestly objectively observing? How can I ever learn anything if I don't?
Ignoring the statements you made for yourself when it suits you... not a sign of objectivity or honesty.You can't prove that perfect objectivity does not exist, so that's an example of a bad assumption. Also, if existence is currently perfect and you exist in this perfect existence, this would make you perfect, thus no reason to go out of perfect existence(if there is a reason please explain it), yet you contradict this view by saying you will go out of existence when you die.
I'll simply my point for you so you don't get tangled up in thoughts about free will.
You think god is perfect and that he created the earth.
Earthquakes happen because of the way the earth was made.
If god can create the earth, surely he could've created it so that earthquakes don't happen.
If god created the earth, and he created it in a way that earthquakes happen, clearly he cannot be perfect.
Do you get it now?
Sorry I had to go to sleep, it was 1am here.
The earth in its current state was indirectly caused by God. You can thank satan for all the bad things you see in this current world because he directly caused them.
Your not being objective when you look at the current state of the world and try to shove a perfect God into it. To be objective you need to start from a perfect Gods perspective which is that a perfect God would first create perfect beings with free will.
In this forum I would like to engage honest atheists in a conversation about near perfect existence. I would like honest atheists to describe their versions of what near perfect existence would or should be like.
If you're an honest theist, I'd like you to just observe this thread as objectively as possible because a truth will be demonstrated eventually. I would ask that the first honest person (either atheist or theist) who observes the demonstrated truth to then at that time comment and reveal what the truth is that will be demonstrated.
Understand I'm making a prediction that a truth will be demonstrated through this forum, if my prediction is correct anyone is welcome verify by conducting a similar thread in an attempt to falsify the demonstrated truth.
So I'm asking all atheists to describe their ideas about what near perfect existence could or should be like, that is if you even believe near perfect existence is achievable by humans.
Thanks!
So satan is able to do as he pleases to the world. Because he created us to do things he wanted or didn't want?Sorry I had to go to sleep, it was 1am here.
The earth in its current state was indirectly caused by God. You can thank satan for all the bad things you see in this current world because he directly caused them.
Your not being objective when you look at the current state of the world and try to shove a perfect God into it. To be objective you need to start from a perfect Gods perspective which is that a perfect God would first create perfect beings with free will.
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