Neanderthals, Dinosaurs?

GodLovesCats · Aug 14, 2019

Ronald said:
I can make that claim, the Bible does, God does ... just many others have a problem with that because they have been indoctrinated with flawed dating methods and accept them. So it obviously bumps up against your 4.5 billion year earth.

Only people who read the Bible too literally think it was really 6 days.

Why is it so hard for people to understand the word day does not necessarily mean 23 hours and 56 minutes in Genesis 1? All you have to do is look at the ages of fossils, rocks, and other natural things that God made before Adam by clicking on some Internet links and see many of them are millions of years apart. Or you can go to natural history museums that have perfect replicas of animals with real fossils.

Lost4words · Aug 14, 2019

Ronald said:
The Bible wasn't written for His recollection or understanding, like we write a journal. It was for us, OUR REALITY, OUR PHYSICAL REALM WITH OUR 24 HOUR DAY, 7 DAY WEEK, MONTHS AND YEARS, ETC. He is not confined to time, He operates outside of time, so the words in the Bible are for our literal understanding. They weren't meant to be some abstract puzzle that we were supposed to symbolically figure. "Let's see, since the early is billions of years old and man only has been on earth millions - (you know, since Lucy) ... Then a day can't mean a day ... Thank you men of scientific thought, for helping me to interpret God's word". Oh brother, that's a big mistake!

Like Revelation? You take that as 100% literal?

Even the parables that Jesus spoke of? They werent meant to be taken literally. They were stories with meaning to them.

Lost4words · Aug 14, 2019

The Righterzpen said:
There are examples of human foot prints in the same layer as dinosaur foot prints. And most certainly fossilized human remains have been found.

If you take the "catastrophic extinction event" that forms fossils. To get fossils requires lots of water, lots of dirt and to be compacted in a very short span of time. (That the objects buried don't have time to decay as they normally would have if they had not been buried in such a matter.)

A washing of an ocean over a basically flat land mass, would leave scattered pockets of plants and animals "mixed together"; yet only from a generalized place of their "original location". And obviously those of largest mass would settle to the bottom first. The fossils are formed and then there are earthquakes and volcanos that rearrange some of these rock layers.

In some rock layers, fossils aren't found at all. Which could have been land uninhabited (a desert maybe) or deposits of silt and smaller sand particles that eventually settles out after the larger things have already been deposited.

So if you have dinosaurs in one bio environment and humans pretty much living in a different place (Noah's flood implies human populations having been congregated in "cities".) You would not necessarily see large quantities of the two "mixed together". Once the initial wave of water had passed, what ever from which ever individual environment is deposited together. And smaller portions from one bio environment to another may be deposited on top of ones that first settled. This is why they find deposits of sea life in unexpected places.

Imagine if you were looking at North America in 1400 AD. You'd have pockets of human settlement within swaths of expansive forest. If you were to throw a giant wave over North American, you'd find large deposits of forest life with very few humans because the bulk of human populations don't generally live "in the wild". And like wise, where you'd find human deposits would be greater percentage of human remains.

This does not mean though that there were not humans who lived in the wild. (Or in the case of the sets of tracks found - humans who hunted dinosaurs.) So looking in a fossil deposit; you could expect to find 10 thousand dinosaur fossils in copious layers before you found one human mixed in with them.

Now also we need to take into consideration the size of the human population as opposed to the size of the animal populations. If you believe Genesis; we start with two humans. Of the animals created though; there were multiple individuals of a "kind" to populate the earth. So, their population numbers are going to expand that much faster, because there are more of them to begin with.

So thus one explanation as to why there are that many more fossilized animals than humans.

No human prints have ever been found with Dino prints. It was fake / unproven. No human bones etc have been found in the same deposit layer as dinos. Only photoshopped ones

GodLovesCats · Aug 14, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
The question is: How long did it take to create all of that carbon?

This is like the grand canyon. They argue over gradual vs rapid erosion. But I want to know how long did it take to create all of those layers so that they could erode? The canyon is a product of plate technotics more then whatever erosion took place.

According to my geology teacher in high school, the Grand Canyon used to be 5 times deeper. So God spent a long time eroding the area, then a long time making the land again. A very long time, that is.

JacksBratt · Aug 14, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Some people believe that the human like foot prints were from angels that were assigned to take care of the dinosaurs.

Interesting... People believe that angels made foot prints but they could not possibly be human.

JacksBratt · Aug 14, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
Can you explain why the fact that God was able to do all that in six literal days He actually did? That is no more logical than calling yourself a woman. Sure, He could have, but there is no reason to assume that is a guarantee He did it.

What are you trying to say?

Lost4words · Aug 14, 2019

Out of this thread now. Nothing more i can say.

God bless you all

The Righterzpen · Aug 14, 2019

Lost4words said:
No human prints have ever been found with Dino prints. It was fake / unproven. No human bones etc have been found in the same deposit layer as dinos. Only photoshopped ones

Well there are many people who would disagree with you here. Lots of "weird" unexplained things that "weren't suppose to be" have been found. And if you have made up your mind that it is all fake; nothing anyone tells you would convince you otherwise.

This then boils down to individual world views and what one chooses to believe.

GodLovesCats · Aug 14, 2019

JacksBratt said:
What are you trying to say?

Do not read the Bible literally. I have said that enough. If you still do not understand, that is entirely your problem.

GodLovesCats · Aug 14, 2019

TR, it looks like you are the one who chased Lost out of this thread. Ler that sink in.

JacksBratt · Aug 14, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
According to my geology teacher in high school, the Grand Canyon used to be 5 times deeper. So God spent a long time eroding the area, then a long time making the land again. A very long time, that is.

According to your Geology teacher... OK sure.. throw out the bible because of something your geology teacher said.

My teacher told me that humming birds never stand on their feet. After they start flying they never stop.
Another teacher told me that water contracts until 4 degrees centigrade then starts to expand again.
Another teacher told me that natives never had beards because they never shaved in the first place. Soon as they started to shave.... they grew beards...

I think I will trust God over any man or woman.

JacksBratt · Aug 14, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
Do not read the Bible literally. I have said that enough. If you still do not understand, that is entirely your problem.

Oh... IC... should I take it literal when it says that Jesus walked on water. Or turned water to wine.. or cured a leper, or a blind man?

I guess these things are taken literal due to the fact that our salvation depends on all the supernatural events of Jesus life... BUT, not Genesis. because our salvation does not depend on the six literal days.

I bet most people would write off the miracles of Christ if their salvation did not depend on it.

I bet most people would take Genesis literal if the Bible stated "believe on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the six days of Creation... and you will be saved".

What else do we deny, of the scriptures, because mankind cannot fathom the truth of it?

charsan · Aug 14, 2019

Ronald said:
It was for us,

No, it was for the people it was written to and none of the Bible was written to us

joshua 1 9 · Aug 14, 2019

JacksBratt said:
Interesting... People believe that angels made foot prints but they could not possibly be human.

This ties in with the Nephilim where they think the Son's of God were angles that produced offspring with the sons of man.

I tend to think the Son's of God were the Godly line of Seth and the sons of man were the ungodly line of Cain. But the angles interpretation is popular and widely accepted.

joshua 1 9 · Aug 14, 2019

charsan said:
No, it was for the people it was written to and none of the Bible was written to us

All of the Bible was written to us. Every stroke of the pen. The Bible is made new and fresh for each and every generation. Even today there are things we can do to help future generations. There is talk about how we stand on the shoulders of giants.

charsan · Aug 14, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
All of the Bible was written to us. Every stroke of the pen. The Bible is made new and fresh for each and every generation.

Sorry you will not find any of the Books in the Bible addressed to 21st century people. The Bible may be for us but t was not written to us

Hank77 · Aug 14, 2019

The Righterzpen said:
There have been human bones found in coal seams.

Is this what you are referring to?
https://www.dinosaurc14ages.com/mancoal.htm

joshua 1 9 · Aug 14, 2019

charsan said:
Sorry you will not find any of the Books in the Bible addressed to 21st century people. The Bible may be for us but t was not written to us

In Bible school they teach us how to interpret the Bible. First you look at who the Bible was first written to. Then you look at how the Bible applies to us today. The Bible has a lot of deep meaning. The Hebrew people talk about paradigms and archetypes. Some things are universal and they are not effected by time. Walt Disney use to talk about this when he said: "“Laughter is timeless. Imagination has no age. And dreams are forever.” Also we have to understand the work that God did with Israel He is now doing with the gentiles and the church or the Bride of Christ. A lot of the teachings in Leviticus apply to us today even though there were clearly written for the Levi priesthood in the temple. Peter talks about this when he says: "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." 1Peter 1:9

joshua 1 9 · Aug 14, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
According to my geology teacher in high school, the Grand Canyon used to be 5 times deeper. So God spent a long time eroding the area, then a long time making the land again. A very long time, that is.

Gradualism is a valid theory. So is catastrophic theory. They see a lot of catastrophic events in California and if they do not understand the power of these forces then a lot of people are at risk.

joshua 1 9 · Aug 14, 2019

JacksBratt said:
Oh... IC... should I take it literal when it says that Jesus walked on water. Or turned water to wine.. or cured a leper, or a blind man?

Everything in the Bible has a literal meaning. The wine at the wedding was new wine and this is different from old wine. Jesus said to put new wine in a new wine skin. Jesus cured all of the lepers. The ones that came back to show their appreciation were restored as well as cured.

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