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In editing some of my files on the plagiarism question I ran across this quote by Edersheim:

pg. 298
Jesus voluntarily took upon Himself human nature with all its infirmities and weaknesses--but without the moral taint of the Fall: without sin. It was human nature, in itself capable of sinning, but not having sinned.
 

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Ellen G. White The baker Letter 1895


Now there are many issues to address in the above quote, but Mrs Ellen makes it clear that she believed that Christ was free of sin and had no propensity towards sinning....I have always wondered...if Christ had no bent towards sin, How is it that He could have sinned? It makes no sense to me. Was there a time ever when Christ was not God? If there was, then its possible that He could have sinned, but there is never a time when Christ was not God is there?

Care to answer that?

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I note that in the Bible, in Mathew 11, it says:

25At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. 27"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Note that here it says that no one knows the Father, but the Son and who the Son reveals to. On the other hand, no one knows the Son but the Father.

This verse agrees with my view, that the nature of Christ will be a continuing mystery for us. I don't think that I have been improperly reading this verse, but do agree that many other read the narrative of the gospel a very different way.



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Wasn't it the authoritative source of truth for your denomination who said that this is not a subject that should be hotly debated?

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Wasn't it the authoritative source of truth for your denomination who said that this is not a subject that should be hotly debated?

BFA

Define "hotly debated." From what I can see he posted one quote hoping to benefit others. Hardly seems like a debate to me.
 
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I don't know that it was intended to benefit people. Who gives a quote with only a page number and expects it to benefit anyone. A page number of an unknown book, unknown volume of book and no one can see the context. No not really much of a benefit to others.
 
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Oh look I googled his name and here is list of his works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Edersheim#Works

Not to long that you couldn't find it yourself.
 
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Hi dj, it's been a bit since I've been around and noticed your post and thought I would toss in my view.

Jesus is "one" Person with two natures (Divine and Human) and because Jesus is a "Divine Person" He cannot be the subject of sin.

I can understand why this theological conclusion would emerge without a grounding in the Trinity because one would assume if Christ had a human nature then it would be like ours and we sin, right?

In Trinitarianism Christ's human will is, in the most perfect fashion, in harmony with, and in free subordination to, the Divine Will.

For me, it helps to think of Jesus as the Divine Logos who became man without ceasing to be God. Two Natures (Divine and Human) united in the "one" Person Jesus Christ.
 
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because Jesus is a "Divine Person" He cannot be the subject of sin.
Why?

one would assume if Christ had a human nature then it would be like ours and we sin, right?
In what way was Christ's human nature "like ours"?

New questions:

1) What does it mean to be the "second Adam"?
2) What does it mean to condemn sin in the flesh?
 
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So, the people who did know Him and were inspired by God to write didn't know him?
Where is it ever stated that they were inspired for the purpose of writing? That is what is meant by "they were inspired to write."
 
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pythons said:
Because Jesus is a "Divine Person" He cannot be the subject of sin.

djConklin said:

pythons said:
Because Jesus is God and it's metaphysically impossible for God to sin. Sacred Scripture to follow.

Psalm 5 said:
For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

Deut 32 said:
He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: A GOD OF TRUTH and without Iniquity, just and right is He.

Isaiah 6 said:
And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of Hosts: the whole earth is full of His Glory.

Holy (Kadosh = exempted from sin). The above is only the tip of the iceburg. The Divine Logos became man without ceasing to be God thus Jesus was born w/out sin. Consider man through "the Old Adam".

Isaiah 64 said:
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Psalm 51 said:
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my Mother conceive me.

The above two Scriptures demonstrate that a person is born "into" sin. Jesus was obviously NOT because God is without iniquity. Adam was created without sin then sinned causing every person after him to be shaped in iniquity and born into sin. For Jesus to be born without sin and not shaped in iniquity "inside His Mother" then His Mother was without sin as a result of a special favor from God.

djConklin said:
In what way was Christ's human nature like ours.

In "all ways" EXCEPT FOR SIN.


djConklin said:
New questions:

1) What does it mean to be the socond Adam?

2) What does it mean to condemn sin in the flesh?

#1 means that through Christ all are made pure as if Adam had "never" sinned. Through Adam every child born "was shaped in iniquity and born into sin" and through the second Adam all are made "pure" and can stand in front of God without fault.

#2 means that all the worlds sins were "placed" on Jesus who while born in the flesh wasn't shaped in iniquity nor born in sin yet suffered temptations like us without having sinned. This is all Trinitarian 101 stuff for Catholics.
 
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