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<blockquote data-quote="lucaspa" data-source="post: 794396" data-attributes="member: 4882"><p><em>[31st March 2003 at 07:29 PM DNAunion said this in Post </em><a href="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=751773#post751773" target="_blank"><em>#93</em></a></p><p><em>DNAunion: No I didn't. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Tell you what - why don't you go ahead and give us the quote and the post </em>#. </p><p></p><p>Post #73: "DNAunion: WRONG!!! Beneficial mutations are often times lost from a population - those that do never become fixed. "</p><p></p><p>Where are the observations to back that statement up?&nbsp; It's <strong>not</strong> stated as "equations indicate that" but rather "are often times lost".&nbsp; </p><p></p><p>Now, I expect a long semantic, nit-picking&nbsp;argument from you.&nbsp; But when you make statements of fact, like the one above, then you need facts -- data -- to back them.</p><p></p><p>The equations show that it is possible that this happens, but other equations show that fixation is assured. So where is the data to settle the issue?</p><p></p><p><em>DNAunion: Don't need them. I didn't say it had been observed - I said it occurs</em>. </p><p></p><p>LOL!! In order to say "it occurs" then it has to have been <strong>observed</strong>.&nbsp; What you have are equations that say it <strong>can</strong> occur, but in order for those equations to really describe what actually happens, you have to have observations.</p><p></p><p>Remember, Einstein's equations on General Relativity&nbsp;were just equations until Eddington made the observations.&nbsp;</p><p></p><p><em>So let me ask you again - do you deny that a beneficial allele can be lost from a population by genetic drift</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Can</strong> be?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Those equations say it can be.&nbsp; However, other equations say can not be lost.&nbsp; So which equation is a correct description of what really happens?&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lucaspa, post: 794396, member: 4882"] [I][31st March 2003 at 07:29 PM DNAunion said this in Post [/I][URL="http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=751773#post751773"][I]#93[/I][/URL] [I]DNAunion: No I didn't. Tell you what - why don't you go ahead and give us the quote and the post [/I]#. Post #73: "DNAunion: WRONG!!! Beneficial mutations are often times lost from a population - those that do never become fixed. " Where are the observations to back that statement up? It's [B]not[/B] stated as "equations indicate that" but rather "are often times lost". Now, I expect a long semantic, nit-picking argument from you. But when you make statements of fact, like the one above, then you need facts -- data -- to back them. The equations show that it is possible that this happens, but other equations show that fixation is assured. So where is the data to settle the issue? [I]DNAunion: Don't need them. I didn't say it had been observed - I said it occurs[/I]. LOL!! In order to say "it occurs" then it has to have been [B]observed[/B]. What you have are equations that say it [B]can[/B] occur, but in order for those equations to really describe what actually happens, you have to have observations. Remember, Einstein's equations on General Relativity were just equations until Eddington made the observations. [I]So let me ask you again - do you deny that a beneficial allele can be lost from a population by genetic drift[/I] [B]Can[/B] be? No. Those equations say it can be. However, other equations say can not be lost. So which equation is a correct description of what really happens? [/QUOTE]
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