Native Americans are descendants of Siberia?

[@@Paul@@]

Did anyone see the video floating around describing the DNA testing of Native Americans by Mormon scientists which proved they are descendants of Siberia and NOT Israel?

Our church had a showing Sun. night.

If so, any thoughts about witnessing to Mormons regarding this?

 

[FreeinChrist]

I had read that before...but then I never beleived they were from the tribe of Joseph anyway. As far as I'm concerned, it is one more nail in the coffin for Joseph Smith's claims.


I found this online:

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/bancroftshistoryofutah_chapter3.htm#51

The tenor of the book of Mormon14 is in this wise: Following the confusion of tongues at the tower of Babel, the peoples of the earth were scattered abroad, one colony being led by the Lord across the ocean to America. Fifteen hundred years after, or six hundred years before Christ, they were destroyed for their wickedness. Of the original number was Jared, among whose descendants was the prophet Ether, who was their historian. Ether lived to witness the extinction of his nation, and under divine direction he deposited his history in a locality where it was found by a second colony, Israelites of the tribe of Joseph, who came from Jerusalem about the time of the destruction of the first colony, namely, six hundred years before Christ. Thus was America repeopled; the second colony occupied the site of the first, multiplied and became rich, and in time divided into two nations, the Nephites and the Lamanites, so called from their respective founders, Nephi and Laman. The former advanced in civilization, but the Lamanites lapsed into barbarism, and were the immediate progenitors of the American aboriginals.
The Nephites were the beloved of the Lord. To them were given visions and angels' visits; to them the Christ appeared with gifts of gospel and prophecy. It was, indeed, the golden age of a favored people; but in a time of temptation, some three or four centuries after Christ, they fell, and were destroyed by the wicked Lamanites. The greatest prophet of the Nephites, in the period of their declension, was Mormon, their historian, who after having completed his abridgment of the records of his nation, committed it to his son Moroni, and he, that they might not fall into the hands of the Lamanites, deposited them in the hill of Cumorah, where they were found by Joseph Smith.

 

[@@Paul@@]

Thanks for the link...

The book of Mormon states it is "the most correct" book on earth. I would say this is a really BIG nail. Something that is not going to be easy to swallow.

As one of the scientists said in the movie: Historically it's been disproved, linguistically it's been disproved and now science disproves it...

 

[HiredGoon]

There's also been another recent DNA test which has traced the male genetic code all the way back through time to one common ancestor in Africa about 60,000 years ago. This test also found that Indians (specifically Navajo) can be traced back to Siberia. It's interesting to see how the human race spread across the world from Africa according to this genetic evidence. It has some interesting implications for young earth creationists.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I thought it was traced back to a female, referred to as 'Eve' by the scientists who did it.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Don't take scientists and dates seriously HiredGoon They change almost every month, and have yet to actually be proven right.

 

[TexasCatholic]

It has ALWAYS been my understanding that "Native Americans" came originally across the "land bridge" into Alaska and then down to the rest of North America... I didn't realize anyone believed otherwise... I guess Mormons do?

-James

 

[HiredGoon]

I believe you're referring to the mitochondrial Eve theory. Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from our mother. There is a theory that according to mtDNA, we're descended from one woman. But this doesn't necessarily mean that there was only one woman originally. There could have been other women whose mtDNA has not survived to this day. But there has been DNA testing of the Y chromosome sequence passed through males. One of these studies is what I was talking about above. Another Y chromosome study found that Jews are descended from a common ancestor about 8,000 years back (or there about, I don't remember exactly), and Arabs also share this same ancestor; which many believe confirms the Genesis account of Abraham.

 

[HiredGoon]

It has ALWAYS been my understanding that "Native Americans" came originally across the "land bridge" into Alaska and then down to the rest of North America... I didn't realize anyone believed otherwise... I guess Mormons do?

-James

Yes, that is believed to have been one of the main routes people came to North America. But there is archaeological evidence that some think suggests that other groups may have come across the Pacific to South America before the Siberian migration.

 

[Frankie]

Yes, that is believed to have been one of the main routes people came to North America. But there is archaeological evidence that some think suggests that other groups may have come across the Pacific to South America before the Siberian migration.

Where is this evidence that suggests that people came across the pacific to South America before those from Asia came across ? Where can we read about it and those who did this research?

Thanks,
Frankie

 

[HiredGoon]

It's only a theory thrown about by some. One of many. Thor Heyerdahl sailed a raft across the Pacific from Polynesia to South America back in the '60s demonstrating it could have happened. There are some controversial archaeological sites which have been dated before the Clovis barrier of 11,000 years ago. Clovis has long been the oldest evidence of humans in North America. But there are a few sites like Monte Verde in South America, which some people believe to be older than 11,000 years. Some have theorized that Monte Verde suggests a Pacific migration, while others believe it suggests a coastal migration down from Alaska before a migration into North America. Pedra Furada in Brazil has been dated to 50,000 years ago by some. Of course this is a very controversial date. Quebrada Jaguay, and Quebrada Tacahuay on the south Peruvian coast are at least as old as Clovis and show a degree of maritime knowledge and adaptation. This suggests to some that a Pacific migration could have been possible, while others interpret these sites as evidence of a coastal migration.

You can read about Monte Verde here:
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/monte_verde/MonteVerde.htm

 

[Frankie]

It's only a theory thrown about by some. One of many. Thor Heyerdahl sailed a raft across the Pacific from Polynesia to South America back in the '60s demonstrating it could have happened. There are some controversial archaeological sites which have been dated before the Clovis barrier of 11,000 years ago. Clovis has long been the oldest evidence of humans in North America. But there are a few sites like Monte Verde in South America, which some people believe to be older than 11,000 years. Some have theorized that Monte Verde suggests a Pacific migration, while others believe it suggests a coastal migration down from Alaska before a migration into North America. Pedra Furada in Brazil has been dated to 50,000 years ago by some. Of course this is a very controversial date. Quebrada Jaguay, and Quebrada Tacahuay on the south Peruvian coast are at least as old as Clovis and show a degree of maritime knowledge and adaptation. This suggests to some that a Pacific migration could have been possible, while others interpret these sites as evidence of a coastal migration.

You can read about Monte Verde here:
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/monte_verde/MonteVerde.htm

Thanks for the link. When it comes to archeology, I tend to be one of those people that just take it with a grain of salt unless it is unanymously backed up by many archeologist that are considered credible and scholorly. In the subject of DNA, I tend to think that DNA is a pretty accurate thing that can not be easily disputed. I find the entire lds BoM vs. DNA issue, fasinating.

God Bless,
Frankie

 

[CDN Red Raider]

considering that God can place something anywhere He wants it is as old as he wants, I am sometimes skeptical about all this dating stuff. Also, if He can scramble language, why can't He scramble some DNA?

 

[TheTempleTeam]

I probably could have told you that just by looking at faces. lol. Native Americans don't look anything like Israelis, but look far more similar to people from eastern siberia.

 

[@@Paul@@]

considering that God can place something anywhere He wants it is as old as he wants, I am sometimes skeptical about all this dating stuff. Also, if He can scramble language, why can't He scramble some DNA?

I suppose. BUT,,, why would he?

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