NASA insider JEFF NOSANOV blows the whistle on the space agency's plot to sabotage Elon Musk's rescue mission

[ThatRobGuy]

NASA insider blows whistle on plot to sabotage Musk's rescue mission

The truth is out there. Just don't expect to hear it from NASA. Nearly everyone on Earth seems desperate to know how the true condition of American astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams.

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Stranded astronaut confirms Biden shot down Musk’s offer to bring pair home: ‘Absolutely factual’

One of the NASA astronauts trapped on the International Space Station said he believes Elon Musk’s claim that the Biden administration rejected his offer to help bring the team home.

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'We offered to bring them back early, but the offer was rejected by the Biden administration,’ Musk said Monday on Joe Rogan's podcast.

The following day, Wilmore appeared to support Musk when asked about the claim, 'I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual.'

Wilmore’s teenage daughter, Daryn, was even more emphatic in a recently resurfaced social media post from February: 'There's a lot of politics, there's a lot of things that I'm not at liberty to say... but there's been issues. There's been negligence. And that's the reason why this has just kept getting delayed.'

 

[That Guy 11200]

Is there any evidence presented or is it just a guy yapping?

 

[Pommer]

NASA insider blows whistle on plot to sabotage Musk's rescue mission

The truth is out there. Just don't expect to hear it from NASA. Nearly everyone on Earth seems desperate to know how the true condition of American astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Stranded astronaut confirms Biden shot down Musk’s offer to bring pair home: ‘Absolutely factual’

One of the NASA astronauts trapped on the International Space Station said he believes Elon Musk’s claim that the Biden administration rejected his offer to help bring the team home.

nypost.com

'We offered to bring them back early, but the offer was rejected by the Biden administration,’ Musk said Monday on Joe Rogan's podcast.

The following day, Wilmore appeared to support Musk when asked about the claim, 'I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual.'

Wilmore’s teenage daughter, Daryn, was even more emphatic in a recently resurfaced social media post from February: 'There's a lot of politics, there's a lot of things that I'm not at liberty to say... but there's been issues. There's been negligence. And that's the reason why this has just kept getting delayed.'

Two day story

 

[Laodicean60]

Let me get this straight: Boeing strands these astronauts, and SpaceX has been parked at the ISS since Sept 2024. One glaring question is, why aren't they already home?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Is there any evidence presented or is it just a guy yapping?

NASA astronauts Barry Wilmore (from left), Nick Hague and Sunita Williams during a press conference from the ISS on Tuesday.
-NASA

One questioner asked about Musk’s recent claim that former President Joe Biden had intentionally stalled their rescue for “political reasons.”

In an earlier question, Wilmore denied that politics had anything to do with the team’s delayed departure, but he seemed to shift his stance when answering the later question.

“I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual … ” he said.


So, the NASA insider who worked there for nearly a decade made the claim, and one of the people currently stuck up there corroborated it.

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Here's video of him saying it...I got it queued up to the timestamp.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Let me get this straight: Boeing strands these astronauts, and SpaceX has been parked at the ISS since Sept 2024. One glaring question is, why aren't they already home?

There is a political component to it (whether people want to acknowledge it or not).

Doing so early via SpaceX would've been an "egg on the face moment" for a democratic administration.

1) They spent huge amounts of money on Boeing
2) The only non-Boeing options at their disposal would've been Musk or Russia.

So, nobody's going to want to quickly concede that they dumped a bunch of money into an inferior solution.

And they wouldn't want to do anything that would bolster the public perception of Musk (who was deeply aligned with their rival in the lead-up to an election) ...and they absolutely wouldn't have wanted to do anything that would've most certainly been leveraged as a propaganda victory for Russia by asking for their help.

 

[Laodicean60]

There is a political component to it

Even astronauts are used as political footballs.

 

[durangodawood]

Interesting.

For now its all pretty vague with no sense of the position the "other side" would present. And Musk is a flat out public liar. So his notions always need extra scrutiny. And such a mission would never survive a blindly administered DOGE cull.

But I would not be shocked if this turned out correct. Politicians takes their image and interests pretty seriously. Reagan for example had hundreds of US hostage languish in Iran so he could look the hero later on.

 

[Laodicean60]

. Reagan for example had hundreds of US hostage languish in Iran

Do you have a source?

 

[durangodawood]

Do you have a source?

No. I did once. But I dont keep specific reporting references top of mind from decades ago - on any topic.

 

[Laodicean60]

No. I did once. But I dont keep specific reporting references top of mind from decades ago - on any topic.

Iran hostage crisis?

 

[Laodicean60]

Reagan for example had hundreds of US hostage languish in Iran so he could look the hero later on.

Then this is false.

 

[durangodawood]

Then this is false.

To my judgement it seemed more likely than not. And there was a lot of research on it, as I recall.

Re the topic, I would love to know more. OP is a good start, but we need to know more to form a reasonable judgement.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Probably just waiting until SpaceX has a non-exploding rocket available.

 

[iluvatar5150]

NASA insider blows whistle on plot to sabotage Musk's rescue mission

The truth is out there. Just don't expect to hear it from NASA. Nearly everyone on Earth seems desperate to know how the true condition of American astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Stranded astronaut confirms Biden shot down Musk’s offer to bring pair home: ‘Absolutely factual’

One of the NASA astronauts trapped on the International Space Station said he believes Elon Musk’s claim that the Biden administration rejected his offer to help bring the team home.

nypost.com

'We offered to bring them back early, but the offer was rejected by the Biden administration,’ Musk said Monday on Joe Rogan's podcast.

The following day, Wilmore appeared to support Musk when asked about the claim, 'I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual.'

Wilmore’s teenage daughter, Daryn, was even more emphatic in a recently resurfaced social media post from February: 'There's a lot of politics, there's a lot of things that I'm not at liberty to say... but there's been issues. There's been negligence. And that's the reason why this has just kept getting delayed.'

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NASA astronauts Barry Wilmore (from left), Nick Hague and Sunita Williams during a press conference from the ISS on Tuesday.
-NASA

One questioner asked about Musk’s recent claim that former President Joe Biden had intentionally stalled their rescue for “political reasons.”

In an earlier question, Wilmore denied that politics had anything to do with the team’s delayed departure, but he seemed to shift his stance when answering the later question.

“I can only say that Mr. Musk, what he says, is absolutely factual … ” he said.


So, the NASA insider who worked there for nearly a decade made the claim, and one of the people currently stuck up there corroborated it.

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Here's video of him saying it...I got it queued up to the timestamp.

You really ought to learn to parse this stuff a bit better.

Let's start off with the "NASA insider": the guy worked at JPL as a low-level manager for a few years over 10 years ago. ISS isn't managed out of JPL. It's managed out of JSC in Houston. He doesn’t claim on LinkedIn to have worked on ISS. I'm sure he knows people involved, but he's hardly an "insider". (more on this later)

Next, let's look at what he actually says about Musk's claims:

While I don’t claim to know what was said behind closed doors at NASA – and even though I am no fan of Elon Musk who I believe is recklessly slashing away at the federal workforce - I wouldn’t doubt his claims either.

No one on NASA’s payroll is permitted to freely speak their mind. But as a former employee of the agency, I can tell you what I believe it to be the truth: our astronauts are at risk and allegations of political corruption at NASA are not to be dismissed.

That's it. The rest of the piece is general criticism of NASA and Boeing. All he says about this situation is that he doesn't know what happened, and that Musk's claim seems plausible. If you listen to what the astronaut, Wilmer, actually said, once you get back the obvious self-contradiction, it amounted to the same thing - that he didn't know.

So, because I was curious, I called up my very close family member who's been working on ISS since before this "insider" started at a different NASA facility over 1,500 miles away. This person, who once had a seat in mission control, confirmed what I'd read in the popular media - that, once the Boeing capsule was deemed too risky to give these folks a ride back, it was decided that they would sub in for the next crew rotation on the ISS and stay there for however many months the regularly scheduled duty cycle was. The plan all along was to have them return on a SpaceX capsule (SpaceX capsules are up there all the time), but that return trip has been delayed a couple times because SpaceX has been having production issues. In fact, they switched up the capsule they planned on using in order to bypass some testing requirements in order to get things going more quickly.

Arstechnica has an article saying virtually the same thing, but with more detail:

NASA officials undermine Musk’s claims about “stranded” astronauts

“We were looking at this before some of those statements were made by the president.”…

arstechnica.com

The program directors say it came down to practicalities of budget and the need to keep the station manned.

TL;DR: Musk is, again, full of it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Interesting.

For now its all pretty vague with no sense of the position the "other side" would present. And Musk is a flat out public liar. So his notions always need extra scrutiny. And such a mission would never survive a blindly administered DOGE cull.

But I would not be shocked if this turned out correct. Politicians takes their image and interests pretty seriously. Reagan for example had hundreds of US hostage languish in Iran so he could look the hero later on.

How did Reagan do this since Carter was the president? The hostages were not released until Reagan took office.

 

[durangodawood]

How did Reagan do this since Carter was the president? The hostages were not released until Reagan took office.

The Reagan group was perfectly capable of contacting Iran without the white house or state dept. providing channels.

 

[BPPLEE]

The Reagan group was perfectly capable of contacting Iran without the white house or state dept. providing channels.

A candidate for president had the power to get Iran to release the hostages? Sounds like a conspiracy theory

 

[durangodawood]

A candidate for president had the power to get Iran to release the hostages? Sounds like a conspiracy theory

Thats exactly what it is. This one has a reasonable probability of being true, imo.

 

[durangodawood]

You really ought to learn to parse this stuff a bit better.

Let's start off with the "NASA insider": the guy worked at JPL as a low-level manager for a few years over 10 years ago. ISS isn't managed out of JPL. It's managed out of JSC in Houston. He doesn’t claim on LinkedIn to have worked on ISS. I'm sure he knows people involved, but he's hardly an "insider". (more on this later)

Next, let's look at what he actually says about Musk's claims:




That's it. The rest of the piece is general criticism of NASA and Boeing. All he says about this situation is that he doesn't know what happened, and that Musk's claim seems plausible. If you listen to what the astronaut, Wilmer, actually said, once you get back the obvious self-contradiction, it amounted to the same thing - that he didn't know.

So, because I was curious, I called up my very close family member who's been working on ISS since before this "insider" started at a different NASA facility over 1,500 miles away. This person, who once had a seat in mission control, confirmed what I'd read in the popular media - that, once the Boeing capsule was deemed too risky to give these folks a ride back, it was decided that they would sub in for the next crew rotation on the ISS and stay there for however many months the regularly scheduled duty cycle was. The plan all along was to have them return on a SpaceX capsule (SpaceX capsules are up there all the time), but that return trip has been delayed a couple times because SpaceX has been having production issues. In fact, they switched up the capsule they planned on using in order to bypass some testing requirements in order to get things going more quickly.

Arstechnica has an article saying virtually the same thing, but with more detail:

NASA officials undermine Musk’s claims about “stranded” astronauts

“We were looking at this before some of those statements were made by the president.”…

arstechnica.com

The program directors say it came down to practicalities of budget and the need to keep the station manned.

TL;DR: Musk is, again, full of it.

Very interesting. For sure if a claim comes from Elon's mouth, that an indicator it needs to be well scrutinized before we build a theory from it.