Name 1 process...

[Novaknight1]

Can someone please tell me one process that says the Earth's billions of years old besides radiometric dating?

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

 

[Travis St. Hubbins]

Can anyone name one process that says the Earth is 6000 years old besides "The Bible/God says so"?

 

[Phred]

Nova,

You do nothing but take shots at what you think the Theory of Evolution is... what you succeed in doing is showing us all you don't know very much about it.

Evolution happens, if you want to get ID taken seriously... you'll have to explain how. And you'll have to do it better than the Theory of Evolution currently does. Do the research, publish the articles... then sit back and wait for the Nobel committee to call.

But wildly taking ignorant potshots at science is useless to you and your cause. Disproving the Theory of Evolution will not prove ID. It will simply show that evolution requires a different explanation... one ID cannot provide.

What you need to do is prove that observed phenomena never really happened. The mountains of evidence would require you to either destroy science entirely or simply convince the public that science is evil. (I know, that's what you folks are up to right now) But you know what? Convincing a willing populace won't change the facts. You'll just get to spread ignorance around, hurt the United States and make your God happy. Wait... no... Why would God be happy about your making his people less than they can be?

You lose, no matter which way you look at this... only problem is that you're dragging a nation down with you... and I'll bet you're proud of yourself.

.
​

 

[JohnR7]

Can someone please tell me one process that says the Earth's billions of years old besides radiometric dating?

The age of the earth is mostly determined by Geology. If you look at the salt deposits, or the limestone & chalk deposits or the coal & oil deposits, they indicate a earth that has been around a while.

Also, if you look at Niagra Falls, the erosion rate is about 2 feet a year and there is 500 miles of erosion. So that would have taken quite a few years.

If you look at the spindown rate of the earth and the receding rate of the moon. They both act very much like the moon bounced off of the earth at one time. That is something that would have happened quite a while ago, based on the rate the moon is moving away from the earth.

 

[cerad]

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

Novakight asked for evidence not based on radiometric dating. Care to try again?

 

[corvus_corax]

From Australian Museum online

Fission track dating

Several minerals incorporate tiny amounts of uranium into their structure when they crystallise. The radioactive decay from the uranium releases energy and particles (this strips away electrons leading to disorder in the mineral structure). The travel of these particles through the mineral leaves scars of damage about one thousandth of a millimetre in length. These 'fission tracks' are formed by the spontaneous fission of 238U and are only preserved within insulating materials where the free movement of electrons is restricted. Because the radioactive decay occurs at a known rate, the density of fission tracks for the amount of uranium within a mineral grain can be used to determine its age.

To see the fission tracks, the mineral surface is polished, etched with acids, and examined with an electron microscope. An effective way to measure the uranium concentration is to irradiate the sample in a nuclear reactor and produce comparative artificial tracks by the induced fission of 235U.

Fission track dating is commonly used on apatite, zircon and monazite. It helps to determine the rates of uplift (for geomorphology studies), subsidence rates (for petroleum exploration and sedimentary basin studies), and the age of volcanic eruptions (this is because fission tracks reset after the eruption). However, care is needed as some samples have fission tracks reset during bushfires, giving far too young ages. Fission track dating is mostly used on Cretaceous and Cenozoic rocks.



The SHRIMP technique

The SHRIMP (Sensitive High Resolution Ion MicroProbe) technique was developed at the Research School of Earth Sciences, Australian National University, Canberra in the early 1980s. It has revolutionised age dating using the U-Pb isotopic system. Using the SHRIMP, selected areas of growth on single grains of zircon, baddeleyite, sphene, rutile and monazite can be accurately dated (to less than 100 000 years in some cases). This technique not only dates older mineral cores (what we call inherited cores), but also later magmatic and/or metamorphic overgrowths so that it unravels the entire geological history of a single mineral grain. It can even date nonradioactive minerals when they contain inclusions of zircons and monazite, as in sapphire grains. The SHRIMP technology has now been exported to many countries such as the USA, France, Norway, Russia, Japan and China. It can help fix the maximum age of sedimentary rocks when they contain enough accessory zircon grains (usually need about 100 grains).

Because of advancements in geochronology for over 50 years, accurate formation ages are now known for many rock sequences on Earth and even in space. The oldest accurately dated rocks on Earth are metamorphosed felsic volcanic rocks from north-west Western Australia. These were dated at about 4.5 billion years old using single zircon grains on the SHRIMP.

 

[JohnR7]

What you need to do is prove that observed phenomena never really happened.

No one argues with the "observed phenomena" just the outragious claims people make about the observed phenomena.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Novakight asked for evidence not based on radiometric dating. Care to try again?

The post was not to show Nova another way of dating. It was to cut off the argument that he was undoubtedly going to come out with, about radiometric dating not being reliable.

 

[Socrastein]

How about the fact that all the species alive today evolved over what would undoubtedly take a few billion years?

 

[Blackmarch]

Can anyone name one process that says the Earth is 6000 years old besides "The Bible/God says so"?

Except the Bible does not say that.

 

[Novaknight1]

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

All they used is radiometric dating.

 

[corvus_corax]

Nova, your question has been answered
Two other techniques were given as examples

 

[Novaknight1]

Maybe. I am looking for that information on this thread now.

 

[Deamiter]

He's got a point though, some people are too quick to simply dismiss a question without any attempt at an answer. Luckily some took the time to actually addres the original question so this thread might not be a COMPLETE waste...

 

[Novaknight1]

The age of the earth is mostly determined by Geology. If you look at the salt deposits, or the limestone & chalk deposits or the coal & oil deposits, they indicate a earth that has been around a while.

Also, if you look at Niagra Falls, the erosion rate is about 2 feet a year and there is 500 miles of erosion. So that would have taken quite a few years.

If you look at the spindown rate of the earth and the receding rate of the moon. They both act very much like the moon bounced off of the earth at one time. That is something that would have happened quite a while ago, based on the rate the moon is moving away from the earth.

I believe the rates of formation, erosion, and recesion have another POSSIBLE answer. I believe the possibility of the formation of chalk, coal, and oil COULD have been created by A GLOBAL FLOOD. Unfortunately, I have no rebuttal to the recession (I haven't read very much about it).

 

[Novaknight1]

The post was not to show Nova another way of dating. It was to cut off the argument that he was undoubtedly going to come out with, about radiometric dating not being reliable.

I heard, from Kent Hovind's seminar and from a book called The Collapse of Evolution, that Evos could use Carbon dating to date dinosaurs in ice, but that would indicate a young creature.

According to Scientific Creation, it dated a live mollusk's shell to be 27,000 years old.

 

[Novaknight1]

From Australian Museum online

Fission track dating

Several minerals incorporate tiny amounts of uranium into their structure when they crystallise. The radioactive decay from the uranium releases energy and particles (this strips away electrons leading to disorder in the mineral structure). The travel of these particles through the mineral leaves scars of damage about one thousandth of a millimetre in length. These 'fission tracks' are formed by the spontaneous fission of 238U and are only preserved within insulating materials where the free movement of electrons is restricted. Because the radioactive decay occurs at a known rate, the density of fission tracks for the amount of uranium within a mineral grain can be used to determine its age.

To see the fission tracks, the mineral surface is polished, etched with acids, and examined with an electron microscope. An effective way to measure the uranium concentration is to irradiate the sample in a nuclear reactor and produce comparative artificial tracks by the induced fission of 235U.

Fission track dating is commonly used on apatite, zircon and monazite. It helps to determine the rates of uplift (for geomorphology studies), subsidence rates (for petroleum exploration and sedimentary basin studies), and the age of volcanic eruptions (this is because fission tracks reset after the eruption). However, care is needed as some samples have fission tracks reset during bushfires, giving far too young ages. Fission track dating is mostly used on Cretaceous and Cenozoic rocks.



The SHRIMP technique

The SHRIMP (Sensitive High Resolution Ion MicroProbe) technique was developed at the Research School of Earth Sciences, Australian National University, Canberra in the early 1980s. It has revolutionised age dating using the U-Pb isotopic system. Using the SHRIMP, selected areas of growth on single grains of zircon, baddeleyite, sphene, rutile and monazite can be accurately dated (to less than 100 000 years in some cases). This technique not only dates older mineral cores (what we call inherited cores), but also later magmatic and/or metamorphic overgrowths so that it unravels the entire geological history of a single mineral grain. It can even date nonradioactive minerals when they contain inclusions of zircons and monazite, as in sapphire grains. The SHRIMP technology has now been exported to many countries such as the USA, France, Norway, Russia, Japan and China. It can help fix the maximum age of sedimentary rocks when they contain enough accessory zircon grains (usually need about 100 grains).

Because of advancements in geochronology for over 50 years, accurate formation ages are now known for many rock sequences on Earth and even in space. The oldest accurately dated rocks on Earth are metamorphosed felsic volcanic rocks from north-west Western Australia. These were dated at about 4.5 billion years old using single zircon grains on the SHRIMP.

Thanks. I would LOVE to have one of those machines. How much do they cost?

 

[Novaknight1]

How about the fact that all the species alive today evolved over what would undoubtedly take a few billion years?

You're using the fact of Evolution to prove the theory of Evolution? Are you using circular reasoning? How do you know the species weren't created?

 

[corvus_corax]

Thanks. I would LOVE to have one of those machines. How much do they cost?

Im guessing......
A lot!
Im pretty sure my wages wouldnt even be a down payment