Mystery and The Mark

[AndreWard]

Funny you should choose that name. There are many who believe this name to be an antichrist himself.

I don't personally, to me he's just the second best SMW(prize fighter) in the world.

But because he wears a tattoo and carries the nickname of "Son of God", some fans think he's blaspheming.

He may be blaspheming, idk, but he aint no antichrist.

BTW....I really enjoy your posts about capitalism.

Nothing to do with Andre ward Please see new thread.

 

[zeke37]

Ex13, Deut6 and Deut11
God's mark, explained the same way as the beast's.
keep the Commandments and you have God's mark.

based on Who/who you worship...1st Commandment

so those that break the first commandment have the mark of the beast.
apostasy is Coming!

 

[AndreWard]

Ex13, Deut6 and Deut11
God's mark, explained the same way as the beast's.
keep the Commandments and you have God's mark.

based on Who/who you worship...1st Commandment

so those that break the first commandment have the mark of the beast.
apostasy is Coming!

Your mind is the mark you have the knowlegde to know that it's wrong to put someone under you or make someone an addict or murder someone for personal gain because your mind is in gods likeness.The demons do not have this mark or knowlegde because thier mind is deluded by created things.

 

[AndreWard]

Ex13, Deut6 and Deut11
God's mark, explained the same way as the beast's.
keep the Commandments and you have God's mark.

based on Who/who you worship...1st Commandment

so those that break the first commandment have the mark of the beast.
apostasy is Coming!

Apostasy seems to be in full effect and always has been.

Prison=Deceptions: Christians encountered various heresies and false teachings spread by false teachers and prophets that threatened to seduce them away from their pure devotion to Christ.
Addict=Temptations: Christians were tempted to engage in various vices that were a part of their lives before they became Christians (idolatry, sexual immorality, covetousness, etc.).
Murder=Persecutions: Christians were persecuted by the governing powers of the day for their allegiance to Christ. Many Christians were threatened with certain death if they would not deny Christ.

Used from Apostasy in Christianity Wikipedia

 

[zeke37]

Apostasy seems to be in full effect and always has been.

well, that is not what i am speaking about.
there is a future apostasy that is prophesied to happen in the latter days
the one that Paul mentioned in 2Thes2 and mentioned in 1Tim4 etc.

Prison=Deceptions: Christians encountered various heresies and false teachings spread by false teachers and prophets that threatened to seduce them away from their pure devotion to Christ.

Satan will be cast here to earth for the time/times/half a time.
he will pretend to be Jesus and most all will worship him.
that is the apostasy/mark of the beast.

Addict=Temptations: Christians were tempted to engage in various vices that were a part of their lives before they became Christians (idolatry, sexual immorality, covetousness, etc.).

Christians will be tempted....future....in the end time test.

Murder=Persecutions: Christians were persecuted by the governing powers of the day for their allegiance to Christ. Many Christians were threatened with certain death if they would not deny Christ.

in the end times, this specific threat will occure,
when most Christians believe that Satan is Christ, through his pretence.

to the ones that don't believe him, Satan will say that he is God,
and that anyone that doesn't "bow" to him, will be killed in the second death, that of the soul.

the mark of the beast is an end time thing...as is the apostasy.

 

[Codger]

Don't mind the low post count.
I know thier is another thread titled The mark of the beast but I want to discuss this theory and see other members view.(Moderator please Pm me if you decide to remove and I will do so myself)


Please read try to understand and discuss.Give it 5 mins before you post a reply.

The core problem at the beginning of the bible was humanity's proud longing for knowledge and power beyond what God intended.This sinful attitude has now been inbebded in human nature.Humanity was created equaly not with different ranks.

Humanity has created everything we value(the work of thier hands) since the begining.God did not create nations,borders,castles,buildings,religons,goverment laws,goverments,chuches,military,cars,planes,guns,tv,internet,books,companies,celeberity image,time,status.

God Does not value Gold,Silver or Diamonds they are just shiny stones to him.Currency paper money is just paper in his eyes.

So if you take away all the created things(Idols)what is left?Humans doing things to humans rather good or evil.

You will be juged according to what you have done in your Book of Life to your neighbors. Not according to your status or possessions in the world.Do not love the world or anything in it.

Google image search Capitalism and look at the pyamid of a capitalist system this is to help put it in a visual perpective of people exalting themselves above others for personal gain(Not blaming Capitalism here).

The gifts of reason,language and creativity intended to be used in service to God and others have been turned into a means for personal gain by destructive and selfish means.


"The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts."

Idols:
Dog aka humans who act the oppisite of god not in his likeness ie. demons (example:God would never Murder a innocent child but a Dog would.)
Gold
Silver
Bronze aka currency
Stone aka guns,bombs
Wood aka houses,buildings ect.

Everything created by man derives from stone and wood.

No matter how many idols you have it's just a number.

Just like 666 is just a number.

What is Death?

A life of Prison (Living in a lie created by man)

A life of being an Addict (worshiping and serving created things rather than the creator and creation)

Our a Life of Murder (sterilzation,unjust killing,endangering life and limb of others.)

-The two most important commandments are love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

So what would you never do to God or yourself?

You would never put God or yourself in Prison.

You would never try to make God or yourself an Addict.

You would never try to Murder God or yourself.

-They say your mind is your most important asset.

So if you have put any one in Prison with you mind or your hands,Made anybody an addict with your mind or your hands or commited murder with your mind or your hands you have decided your life is more important than thiers and have the mark of the beast on your forehead(mind) or hands.

And why do people put other people in Prision, make other people an addict or try to murder other people?They do it for PAM (power and money) babylon the great mother of prositutes and aboinations of the earth.

6 Prison
6 Addict
6 Murder


Prison is not just jail it can be schools teaching worthless information,false doctrine chruches,a job that leads no where, a 30 year morgatge,inflated prices to keep you down , abusive realtionship,an opressive goverment ect.,..

Addict can be tv,food,sex,porn,drugs,alcohol,video games,money,cars,clothes,shopping,anger,

Murder unjust killing,fore thought of harming others,harming others,destorying other peoples lives or livelihood .

Apply this theory to every occupation,every nation,and every person in the world and you won't be able to find many who can not Buy or Sell without the mark even if its unintentionaly.If you really believe the false doctrine your being controled (your in prison)and saved by grace but the guy above you who knows he's hurting and destorying many and lying to humanity about it to make a profit and exalt himself above others may not be.

Jesus demonstrated what our lives should look like; love God with every part of our being,love our neighbors as we would love ourselves,seek justice for the oppressed,alleviate suffering were possible and consider others needs before our own.

Spread the messege of Peace and Love God and your Neighbors of the world and Repent

People are not condemned because they do evil - they were condemned at the cross when Jesus was crucified and all of the sins of the whole world were put on him. As a result God judged all of humanity to death and destruction. Those who did not believe in Jesus and escape this judgment remained condemned to the second death.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

At the cross all of mankind was judged as worthy of death. When this happened then Satan could no longer accuse anybody because what good would it do to accuse somebody condemned to death? He was cast down to earth at the time of the cross.

Are there different degrees in hell? I don't know but I suspect so.

Larry

 

[watchman333]

Zeke 37 and I agree. While there has always been apostasy, the great apostasy, where millions will be falling away from God, will not take place until the very end, when Satan is standing in Jerusalem claiming to be God. Millions will be decieved, and damned, because they believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[AndreWard]

People are not condemned because they do evil - they were condemned at the cross when Jesus was crucified and all of the sins of the whole world were put on him. As a result God judged all of humanity to death and destruction. Those who did not believe in Jesus and escape this judgment remained condemned to the second death.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

At the cross all of mankind was judged as worthy of death. When this happened then Satan could no longer accuse anybody because what good would it do to accuse somebody condemned to death? He was cast down to earth at the time of the cross.

Are there different degrees in hell? I don't know but I suspect so.

Larry

John 3:4 Everyone whos sins breaks the law infact sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins(this is what your post states).And in him is no sin.No one who lives in him keeps on sinning.No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

The message from the Book of Revelation is clear: Jesus death on the cross is not a free ticket to keep living in sin.

If you believe (know) him you will not continue sinning you would know that he doesn't want you putting people in prision making people addicts or murdering people.

Matthew 25:40
Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these My brethen,ye have done it unto Me.


James 2:14-26 - What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?... In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. ...You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.


You can't(you could) simply say I beleive Jesus died for my sins so now i can worship the devil and have a license for immmortailty.

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The rest of the passage you posted:
John:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world , but men loved darkness instead, thier deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by truth comes into the light so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been through God.


A few more:

2 Peter:19 they promise them freedom while they themselves are slaves(prisioners)to deprivaity ------For a Man is Slave(prisoner/addict) to what ever has mastered him.If they have escaped the corruption(power) of the world by knowing(believing) our lord and savior Jesus christ and are again entangled(aposatsy) in it they are worse off at the end then they were at the begining.It would have been better for them to have not known the way of righteousness,then to have turned thier backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.Of them to proverbs is true A DOG returns to it's vomit."And a sow that is washed goes back to her walling in the mud.


Hebrews:10:26 If we delibertly keep on sinning(doing evil) after we have recived the knowledge of the truth(Jesus) no sacrifice for sins is left but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.


Colossians 3 Since then you have been raised with christ,set your hearts on things above where christ is seated at the right hand of god set your mind on things above not on earthly things.For you died and your life is now hidden with christ in god.When christ appears then you will also appear with him in glory. Put to Death,therfore whatever belongs to your earthly nature:sexual immortality,impurity,lust,evil desires and greed, which is idolarty. Because of THESE,the WRATH of GOD is COMING

 

[AndreWard]

Reply:

well, that is not what i am speaking about.
there is a future apostasy that is prophesied to happen in the latter days
the one that Paul mentioned in 2Thes2 and mentioned in 1Tim4 etc..

The furture is now God dosen't have a Calander.

But do not forget this one thing,dear friends: WIth the lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day.The lord is not slow in keeping his promise as some understand slowness.He is patient not wanting anyone to perish but everyone come to repentance.

The day of the lord will come like a thief(unexpected and quick).The heavens will disappear with a roar the elements will be destroyed by fire and everything in it will be laid bare.

Satan will be cast here to earth for the time/times/half a time.
he will pretend to be Jesus and most all will worship him.
that is the apostasy/mark of the beast..

Jesus is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords
Back to the pyamid how many people using PAM "pretend" to be Kings of the earth,Lords of the world,generals and mighty men and have worshipers following thier every whim?


Ephesians 6:12:
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

Satan is a spirtal force of evil.

Christians will be tempted....future....in the end time test.

in the end times, this specific threat will occure,
when most Christians believe that Satan is Christ, through his pretence.

to the ones that don't believe him, Satan will say that he is God,
and that anyone that doesn't "bow" to him, will be killed in the second death, that of the soul.

the mark of the beast is an end time thing...as is the apostasy..

Back to the pyamid imagine christ at the top instead of a bag of money christ is the King of Kings and lord of lords(even though he is a fellow servent with us).So how many "christians" worldwide(as you posted)bow down to thier boss,the miliarty,police,religous leaders,bankers,politians,kings ect. Satan is constantly endeavoring to attract attetion to man inplace of God. He leads people to look to bishops,pastors,to proffessors of thelogy,as thier guides,instead of searching Scriptures to learn their duty for themselves.Then by controling the minds of these leaders(with idols)can influence the multitudes according to his will. Satan is a spirtal force of evil that controls people by putting them in Prison making them addicts or murdering them.These rulers,authorities and powers control everything and are Gods on earth.

 

[Interplanner]

Andreward did you get your question answered? what was your original question in a line?

I think you eventually are wondering who really is a Christian (assuming we can find a human behavior answer to that)? I'm all for living an honest, pure life in honor of Christ, but the question 'what makes a sinner acceptable to God?' is only answered by the perfect life and sacrifice of Christ. That is our basis and certainly a compelling example, but there is no guarantee of finding a form for being a Christian that will answer every situation that comes up. Faith looks upon what Christ did and realizes that that is the only answer about justification. Christians have widely ranging aptitudes as far as what they can accomplish with their lives.

--Inter

 

[AndreWard]

Andreward did you get your question answered? what was your original question in a line?

Original question:

Lets discuss this possibillity of The mark of the beast and the mystery the harlot of babylon(PAM)Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth.


6 P rison
6 A ddict
6 M urder

They each have 6 letters.


Just before the 7th angel is about to sound his trumpet the MYSTERY of God will be accomplished just as he announced to his servents the prophets.

These plauges are not universial,or the inhabitats of the earth would be wholly cut off.Yet they will be the most awful scrourges that have ever been known to mortals.All judgements upon men,prior to the close of probation have been migled with mercy.The pleading blood of christ has shielded the sinner from reciving the full measure of guilt;but in the final judgement,wrath will be poured out unmixed with mercy.In that day multitudes willl desire the shelter of Gods mercy which they have so depsised.




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Not orignal question:

1 Thessalonians 5:2:
For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night.While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

2 Peter 3:10:
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.(a time when you least execpt it)

Alot of people are waiting for 2012 disater MAd MAx type sceneio or a news cast telling about problems in the middle east.but this is already happening in poverty stricken neighborhoods across the world.Entire countires are controlled by rebel forces because of PAM.Wars,famines,droughts,starvation are everyday things in alot of places.
While many Kings,Mighty Men,papist priests and prelates,ect. worldwide who claim to be christs ambassorders live as Gods by emplying the rack,dungeon,and stake to control the masses at the cost of worldwide disater (Prison,Addict,Murder) for humanity.

I think you eventually are wondering who really is a Christian (assuming we can find a human behavior answer to that)? I'm all for living an honest, pure life in honor of Christ, but the question 'what makes a sinner acceptable to God?' is only answered by the perfect life and sacrifice of Christ. That is our basis and certainly a compelling example, but there is no guarantee of finding a form for being a Christian that will answer every situation that comes up. Faith looks upon what Christ did and realizes that that is the only answer about justification. Christians have widely ranging aptitudes as far as what they can accomplish with their lives.

I'm not wondering "whos really christian" You don't have to be christian to recive the mark.Everybody rather free or slave rich or poor ect. would not be able to buy or sell.

The fearful judgements denouced againist the worhsip of the beast and his image(Rev 14:9-11),should lead all to a diligent study of the prophecies to learn what the mark of the beast is and how to aviod reciving it.

But the masses of the people turn away thier ears from hearing the truth and are turned unto fables.The Apostle Paul declared,looking down to the last days: "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine". 2Timothy 4:3.That time as fully come.The multitudes do not want Bible truth because it interferes with the desires of the sinful,world loving heart; and Satan supplies the deceptions which they love.

But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible and the bible only ,as the standard of all doctrines.The opinions of learned men,the deductions of science, the creeds, or decisions of clesiastical councils,as numerous and ecdiscordant as are the churches which they represent,the voice of the majority---------not ONE or ALL of thes should be regarded as evidence for or againist any religous faith.Before accepting any doctrin or precept we should demand a plain "Thus saith the LORD" in it's support.

What makes a sinner acceptable to god?

Somebody who doesn't put people in prision make people addicts or murder people.(Destroying other peoples lives)For personal gain

If your in prison somebody put you thier.
If your an Addict somebody got you addicted.
If you commit murder your doing it for a certain cause.

Your under someelses control or mindset.But the people controling you (the top of the pyamid)have different agendas(gaining more PAM).

Matthew 25:40
Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these My brethen,ye have done it unto Me.





--Inter or anybody else

Let me ask you this?

Would you put god or yourself in Prison?

Would you make god or yourself an addict?

And would you Murder god or yourself?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Your mind is the mark you have the knowlegde to know that it's wrong to put someone under you or make someone an addict or murder someone for personal gain because your mind is in gods likeness.The demons do not have this mark or knowlegde because thier mind is deluded by created things.

so, would you say that you have a greater mind than satan?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Original question:

Lets discuss this possibillity of The mark of the beast and the mystery the harlot of babylon(PAM)Babylon the Great, the Mother of Prostitutes and Abominations of the Earth.


6 P rison
6 A ddict
6 M urder

They each have 6 letters.


Just before the 7th angel is about to sound his trumpet the MYSTERY of God will be accomplished just as he announced to his servents the prophets.

These plauges are not universial,or the inhabitats of the earth would be wholly cut off.Yet they will be the most awful scrourges that have ever been known to mortals.All judgements upon men,prior to the close of probation have been migled with mercy.The pleading blood of christ has shielded the sinner from reciving the full measure of guilt;but in the final judgement,wrath will be poured out unmixed with mercy.In that day multitudes willl desire the shelter of Gods mercy which they have so depsised.




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Not orignal question:

1 Thessalonians 5:2:
For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night.While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

2 Peter 3:10:
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.(a time when you least execpt it)

Alot of people are waiting for 2012 disater MAd MAx type sceneio or a news cast telling about problems in the middle east.but this is already happening in poverty stricken neighborhoods across the world.Entire countires are controlled by rebel forces because of PAM.Wars,famines,droughts,starvation are everyday things in alot of places.
While many Kings,Mighty Men,papist priests and prelates,ect. worldwide who claim to be christs ambassorders live as Gods by emplying the rack,dungeon,and stake to control the masses at the cost of worldwide disater (Prison,Addict,Murder) for humanity.



I'm not wondering "whos really christian" You don't have to be christian to recive the mark.Everybody rather free or slave rich or poor ect. would not be able to buy or sell.

The fearful judgements denouced againist the worhsip of the beast and his image(Rev 14:9-11),should lead all to a diligent study of the prophecies to learn what the mark of the beast is and how to aviod reciving it.

But the masses of the people turn away thier ears from hearing the truth and are turned unto fables.The Apostle Paul declared,looking down to the last days: "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine". 2Timothy 4:3.That time as fully come.The multitudes do not want Bible truth because it interferes with the desires of the sinful,world loving heart; and Satan supplies the deceptions which they love.

But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible and the bible only ,as the standard of all doctrines.The opinions of learned men,the deductions of science, the creeds, or decisions of clesiastical councils,as numerous and ecdiscordant as are the churches which they represent,the voice of the majority---------not ONE or ALL of thes should be regarded as evidence for or againist any religous faith.Before accepting any doctrin or precept we should demand a plain "Thus saith the LORD" in it's support.


Somebody who doesn't put people in prision make people addicts or murder people.(Destroying other peoples lives)For personal gain

If your in prison somebody put you thier.
If your an Addict somebody got you addicted.
If you commit murder your doing it for a certain cause.

Your under someelses control or mindset.But the people controling you (the top of the pyamid)have different agendas(gaining more PAM).

Matthew 25:40
Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these My brethen,ye have done it unto Me.

most of what you have here is covered in matt 5

--Inter or anybody else

Let me ask you this?

Would you put god or yourself in Prison?

Would you make god or yourself an addict?

And would you Murder god or yourself?

and what you have written here is covered in rom 13!

 

[AndreWard]

so, would you say that you have a greater mind than satan?

Yes satan is the deciver he has to put you in prision,make you an addict or murder you to overcome you.He has no real power without his idols.

 

[AndreWard]

most of what you have here is covered in matt 5!

Yes but that's for the people in prison,the people being made addicts and being people being murdered not the ones doing those things.

and what you have written here is covered in rom 13!

Adolph Hitler was of governing athourity Lutzer quotes Hitler as saying, “The parsons will dig their own graves. They will betray their God to us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable jobs and incomes.”


If Romans 13 teaches unlimited submission to government, then we must obey and acknowledge all laws, good and bad, as the will of God. If all governments are of God, then all laws are of God. This in not practical from any point of view.Last –and most important — it is not biblical. Daniel disobeyed Darius and went to the lions den. The three Hebrew children broke the law for not bowing. The parents hid baby Moses from Pharaoh. Rahab lied to protect the Hebrew spies. The Apostles went to prison for preaching Christ in the authority of Heaven. Paul and his followers in Acts 17 did contrary to all the decrees of Caesar in order to make Jesus the King. Even Jesus lived in direct opposition of the political religious leaders of his day and went to the cross for us.


Rom 13:9-10 “Love your neighbor as yourself.”Love does no harm to a neighbor. but prison does addiction does and murder does.