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Is it just and fair that Myra is likely in heaven, but some of her victims may not be?
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I am not British, so I do not know.Is it just and fair that Myra is likely in heaven, but some of her victims may not be?
She was a murderer and paedophile.... and became a Christian.I am not British, so I do not know.
I pulled up an article for those who might be interested in reading about this murderer (age rating 16+, due to heavy topic):
Eww, but at least God brought her back out of that mess. I can not make any assumptions, but we will find out if she was truly saved when we get to heaven.She was a murderer and paedophile.... and became a Christian.
What about the second part of my question? Is it fair that some of her child and teenage victims may not be in heaven?Eww, but at least God brought her back out of that mess. I can not make any assumptions, but we will find out if she was truly saved when we get to heaven.
I can not answer that one as I am not God, but maybe the victims get a second chance. God is a fair judge, and there may a place between Heaven and Earth where people can repent (purgatory) or something. Who knows, one of the victims may have been seeking Christ, but has not repented yet, but was really close to repenting.What about the second part of my question? Is it fair that some of her child and teenage victims may not be in heaven?
The question applies more broadly? There are Christians who, for example, murdered non-Christians.
Yet the Christian murderer has a chance to repent... the victim has no such chance..
Is it fair?
Did she actually repent and make amends in any way? Why would child victims not be (is the atonement really so limited?)Is it just and fair that Myra is likely in heaven, but some of her victims may not be?
Let's assume she did, or at least consider the hypothetical case.Did she actually repent and make amends in any way? Why would child victims not be (is the atonement really so limited?)
I agree, and very much question the mainstream/ evangelical/ Calvinistic? beliefs that rationalise all this by saying that all sin is equal, and that we are all born sinners, so even children actually deserve hell. I think that’s an appalling belief.Let's assume she did, or at least consider the hypothetical case.
Also some of the murder/rape victims were 17 yrs old..
Do all murder victims automatically go to heaven.
Or let's consider the German death camps... 6 million jews killed... According to Christianity.. they haven't accepted Jesus as their lord and saviour, therefore hell (that must be the case if Christ's sacrifice meant something)
Yet, some of the Nazis repent and accept Jesus, they had the chance to, and go to heaven.
My question is about the fairness of that...
I feel it is better, rather than comparing one human beings sins with another's, we consider God's perfect holiness. When we do that, we perhaps begin to realise the truth stated in Isaiah:I agree, and very much question the mainstream/ evangelical/ Calvinistic? beliefs that rationalise all this by saying that all sin is equal, and that we are all born sinners, so even children actually deserve hell. I think that’s an appalling belief.
Catholics at least have a system of Purgatory where such egregious sins as Myra Hindley's would be in some way atoned for. (I don't personally believe that, but it seems a more righteous and fair system, that recognises that sins are not equal.
There is another (liberal?) belief, Universalism, which I am more drawn to, which suggests that the Atonement Christ achieved saves everyone, believers and followers or not. I'm not sure how egregious wickedness is dealt with in that system. Perhaps someone who beliefs in Universalism could elaborate?
Judge them accordingly? There is no opportunity for judgement in Christianity.I believe that if a person has repented they are saved & that Children are exempt from sin & automatically go to heaven.
As for the victims of Murderers who have not repented, I'm not sure what will happen to them, only God knows this, but I'm sure God will be merciful on them & judge them accordingly.
Luke 18:16-17Judge them accordingly? There is no opportunity for judgement in Christianity.
God as Judge is an impossibility...
If you repent and believe... you ok.
If you haven't repented and believed you go to hell.
That is Christian logic and doctrine.
They weren't little children, they were older children, some up to 17. Even if they were adults... Christian logic is the murdered can go to heaven while the guilty can go to hell... It's wrong.Luke 18:16-17
Is it just and fair that Myra is likely in heaven, but some of her victims may not be?
They weren't little children, they were older children, some up to 17. Even if they were adults... Christian logic is the murdered can go to heaven while the guilty can go to hell... It's wrong.
Myra hindley is a famous serial killer... world famous... you want proof of that? What sources do you imagine you need??I'm not familiar with the Myra Hindley case, so if you want me to attempt an answer to your question, you need to do the proper work of citing your sources for your "informed" opinion. It's not my job to have to go play pin-the-tail-on the donkey and guess about where you pulled your info.
You're misunderstanding my intent here. What I expect to see from you is your provision of support for your claims/assertions. You've asserted that Myra Hindley "became a Christian."Myra hindley is a famous serial killer... world famous... you want proof of that? What sources do you imagine you need??
No, no, no. The Statement of Purpose for this forum thread section states that it IS NOT for apologetic purposes. So, no, YOU don't get to call your own shots or how your inquiries here get to be presented. Perhaps you missed that part when you were reading the SOP for this forum section????? Here, let's read it again together:
This forum is where I, a non Christian, can ask questions about Christianity. So apologetics is not off topic... imo
Who told you you could call the shots anyway? If you think my post is inappropriate, contact the forum.
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