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<blockquote data-quote="Speedwell" data-source="post: 71379043" data-attributes="member: 387171"><p>My reference to Aristotle was to his ideas about fourfold causality which we need not go in to, but the point was that causality as a concept is not as simple as many people seem to think. That is why I take issue with the "God <strong>or</strong> nature" mindset of creationists. It's really a false dichotomy. From the metaphysical standpoint, God <strong>and</strong> nature is perfectly feasable, and the "nature" part of it will appear to us to be a self-sufficient system of natural causes. Miracles extra, your mileage may vary. </p><p></p><p>Now, I don't care whether you believe any of that or not, but I'm here to tell you that a lot of people do, or something like it. I learned about it as an Anglican undergraduate science major at a Roman Catholic university, to give you some idea. Which is why, to a lot of Christians here who are not creationists, your notions about your "Darwinism" seem contrived and unconvincing</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Speedwell, post: 71379043, member: 387171"] My reference to Aristotle was to his ideas about fourfold causality which we need not go in to, but the point was that causality as a concept is not as simple as many people seem to think. That is why I take issue with the "God [B]or[/B] nature" mindset of creationists. It's really a false dichotomy. From the metaphysical standpoint, God [B]and[/B] nature is perfectly feasable, and the "nature" part of it will appear to us to be a self-sufficient system of natural causes. Miracles extra, your mileage may vary. Now, I don't care whether you believe any of that or not, but I'm here to tell you that a lot of people do, or something like it. I learned about it as an Anglican undergraduate science major at a Roman Catholic university, to give you some idea. Which is why, to a lot of Christians here who are not creationists, your notions about your "Darwinism" seem contrived and unconvincing [/QUOTE]
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