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<blockquote data-quote="holo" data-source="post: 73474483" data-attributes="member: 21467"><p>Actually, we don't agree on that. I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the nature of law and grace, but I can try to explain (hopefully briefly) what I mean.</p><p></p><p>The law wasn't given to protect, but to accuse. The law never had the power to bring life, and never will. It would, had it been possible to keep it. But the whole point of the law was to make every man guilty, to make it abundantly clear that righteousness must come by grace, not works.The only way to be dead to sin is to be dead to the law. Because, as Paul says, the power of sin is the commandment. Without the commandment, sin is dead. It has no power. It's not just a biblical principle, it's universal. Tell someone they must not push the button, and they will want to push the button. The problem is that the law points to sin, it makes you focus on whatever it outlaws. So again, the more you focus on the law, the more tempted you will be to sin. The solution, for the believer, is to "die with Christ" and be released from the law. One doesn't become more Christlike by trying to keep the law, it will have the exact opposite effect. One becomes more like Christ by focusing on him. By that I don't mean to focus on his teachings about the law - after all, Jesus never once spoke to Christians. Had you lived at Jesus' time, you'd be either a Jew or a Gentile, but not a Christian. There was no such thing until Jesus had died and been resurrected. The whole idea of being a Christian is about Jesus' death and resurrection, not about his teachings to the Jews in matters of the law. Those things are really Old Testament stuff, it's just that since we've split the OT and NT at Jesus' birth instead of his resurrection, people often get it wrong. In short, when the bible says something about how to keep the law, it's not an instruction for you, because you're not under it in any way.</p><p></p><p>I don't see anybody here "abusing grace" - by that term I suppose you mean something like "go ahead and do something wrong, because you'll be forgiven anyway". No, the question is whether it's a sin to begin with. Some will say yes, some will say no. As for me, I'll say that the question itself is wrong. It's pointless to ask whether or not he's breaking a law he's not under. It's like asking you whether or not you're complying with Japanese law. I'm pretty sure you're acting pretty much in accordance with Japanese law, but that's just because you're a decent person and Japan's law are basically about being a decent person. Heck, maybe you live 100% in harmony with their laws, but it doesn't matter because you'll never be judged by that law.</p><p></p><p>That's in short what I believe Paul was talking about. Being dead to the law means being free from sin. Not because you're suddenly somehow keeping the law, but because you're free from it.</p><p></p><p>I mentioned my own marriage as an example earlier. When I don't go after other women, it has nothing whatsoever to do with me being under some law, written or otherwise. It has <em>only</em> to do with the fact that I love my wife. I don't consult any rule book or even a moral principle, I just focus on <em>her</em>. If I tell you, "don't lust after other women," what will you be thinking about? Other women! It's really simple, but it's still hard to understand. It seems like it's human nature to want to live according to commandments, I guess probably because it allows us to pass judgment on each other.Again, I think the question itself is wrong. He's free to do whatever he pleases. If he's a believer, then according to the bible there is no condemnation for him. Not because he's good at keeping the law, but because Christ himself <em>is</em> his righteousness.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying there's no such thing as right and wrong, good and evil. But it's not a matter of law.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="holo, post: 73474483, member: 21467"] Actually, we don't agree on that. I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the nature of law and grace, but I can try to explain (hopefully briefly) what I mean. The law wasn't given to protect, but to accuse. The law never had the power to bring life, and never will. It would, had it been possible to keep it. But the whole point of the law was to make every man guilty, to make it abundantly clear that righteousness must come by grace, not works.The only way to be dead to sin is to be dead to the law. Because, as Paul says, the power of sin is the commandment. Without the commandment, sin is dead. It has no power. It's not just a biblical principle, it's universal. Tell someone they must not push the button, and they will want to push the button. The problem is that the law points to sin, it makes you focus on whatever it outlaws. So again, the more you focus on the law, the more tempted you will be to sin. The solution, for the believer, is to "die with Christ" and be released from the law. One doesn't become more Christlike by trying to keep the law, it will have the exact opposite effect. One becomes more like Christ by focusing on him. By that I don't mean to focus on his teachings about the law - after all, Jesus never once spoke to Christians. Had you lived at Jesus' time, you'd be either a Jew or a Gentile, but not a Christian. There was no such thing until Jesus had died and been resurrected. The whole idea of being a Christian is about Jesus' death and resurrection, not about his teachings to the Jews in matters of the law. Those things are really Old Testament stuff, it's just that since we've split the OT and NT at Jesus' birth instead of his resurrection, people often get it wrong. In short, when the bible says something about how to keep the law, it's not an instruction for you, because you're not under it in any way. I don't see anybody here "abusing grace" - by that term I suppose you mean something like "go ahead and do something wrong, because you'll be forgiven anyway". No, the question is whether it's a sin to begin with. Some will say yes, some will say no. As for me, I'll say that the question itself is wrong. It's pointless to ask whether or not he's breaking a law he's not under. It's like asking you whether or not you're complying with Japanese law. I'm pretty sure you're acting pretty much in accordance with Japanese law, but that's just because you're a decent person and Japan's law are basically about being a decent person. Heck, maybe you live 100% in harmony with their laws, but it doesn't matter because you'll never be judged by that law. That's in short what I believe Paul was talking about. Being dead to the law means being free from sin. Not because you're suddenly somehow keeping the law, but because you're free from it. I mentioned my own marriage as an example earlier. When I don't go after other women, it has nothing whatsoever to do with me being under some law, written or otherwise. It has [I]only[/I] to do with the fact that I love my wife. I don't consult any rule book or even a moral principle, I just focus on [I]her[/I]. If I tell you, "don't lust after other women," what will you be thinking about? Other women! It's really simple, but it's still hard to understand. It seems like it's human nature to want to live according to commandments, I guess probably because it allows us to pass judgment on each other.Again, I think the question itself is wrong. He's free to do whatever he pleases. If he's a believer, then according to the bible there is no condemnation for him. Not because he's good at keeping the law, but because Christ himself [I]is[/I] his righteousness. I'm not saying there's no such thing as right and wrong, good and evil. But it's not a matter of law. [/QUOTE]
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