My visions of hell.

Kazane said:

I wouldn't label myself a "christian" as this only complicates the truth and causes division amongst men.
In the times before the bible and before churches were established how would every follower of God know to call themselves a "christian" i am a follower of God and his truths and if others decide to label that as a "christian" then so be it.

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Kazane said:

This has given me really good understanding and i couldn't agree more with you, thank you brother.

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Kazane said:

Here is what i can explain only as visions of hell from a personal experience that will now always be a part of who i am.

Prior to this happening to me i had never been what you would call religious but i also wasn't a bad person either i would always try my best to be fair and honest if people had ever asked me if i believed in god i used to laugh and say "no i don't but i definitely believe in something" i remember a good 8 years a go or so when a man with a bible approached me in the street and asked if i had any time and the people i was with shook there head and said "come on don't waste your time with him" but i was the type of person to ask questions and give people the time so i sat down and spoke with him and he did actually bless me in the streets and i was grateful but i still walked away as a non believer had always tried to do the right thing in life and tried to always stop bad things and bad people.
currently at this time in my life i was taking around 180mg of valium a day smoking weed drinking alcohol and taking other drugs too, one of the things i was smoking at the time is what people over the world today call "spice" a legal high here in the UK and i t wasn't till managed to get off this drug that i actually heard people that had been users of heroin for years were actually giving up the heroin for this "legal high" that is how strong it actually was and i didn't even no about that. once i had finally landed the job i wanted to be in and was happy in i decided to just completely stop taking all of these things... which was a very bad idea i didn't sleep for 3 nights straight and still turned up to work everyday i didn't no why i wasn't sleeping i didn't link it to withdrawals but that's what it was and that's when the following happened to me.

This was actually a couple years a go now so things are a little hazy but from what i can remember i was shown my life in different boxes a long corridor of lots of cells/boxes in each cell it had the beginning the middle and the end of how those lifestyles would go for me and what would happen if i chose what certain lifestyles to live and at this time i was smoking weed and taking other drugs too and drinking alcohol because i never really valued myself or life i lived, an example of the lifes presented to me in boxes were one of the boxes showed me walking in circles in a box just constantly getting up and moving around to fulfil the same pleasure hits everyday with no one truly around me because the same people walking in these circles were also walking the same circles to just fulfil their pleasure hits too and it felt like an eternity i was there for everything then rushed past me at great speed almost as if the environment was moving and i was still in open space and i then remember being in what seemed like underground caves but everything was very enclosed i don't actually know how there was space for me to be there and there was flames and people burning in them i could just hear very loud screaming of people and i could tell they were in a lot of pain. i saw some people just walking around in the flames looking at one another almost as if they had been there for so long that they were
used to the pain but just unhappy with where they was with there flesh burning off to then only grow back onto their face again and then to repeat that same cycle to then burn off them again it was really hard to breath there and had a smoggy foul scent at this point i was outside of some big gates i saw a lot of celebrities behind these gates too i wouldn't no which ones they where or who they were but i just knew that there was celebrities there some how and once again i felt as if it was another eternity spent there. After that i think
i was whisked away and moved by something very quickly away from this setting and into the next one, and i remember walking around my house and seeing body organs everywhere smeared over all the walls like livers intestines lungs and all sorts.. but no blood what so ever.i then think i was shown how i would describe as "seeing the end" for everyone i no in my house too for example as i walked into my dads room he was sitting up in his bed with his head moving from side to side almost as if he was trapped in his own mind and blinded and couldn't see and i felt that he was trapped in his head not knowing where he was or what he was doing (about half a year after this happened my dad has now gone and had eye surgery to get his lenses removed and artificial ones put in, which i tried to warn him not too and i told him it will not be a good idea, but he didn't listen to me and he has never been
spiritual what so ever he's in fact very opposite to that... this really scared me and brought back flashing memories of the visions i once saw of him "sitting blind in his bed") i was then again back in these underground caves where there was this giant demonic being sitting in a big asphalt roller rolling back and fourth over peoples body organs flattening them in rage just going back and forth back and forth with a twisted evil face full of pleasure and evil shortly after i was shown some disturbing things of which i now no to be deadly sins
but at the time i had no understanding of these things and i hardly knew the correct words that fitted these acts. I saw someone that was ripping out there own stomach guts and eating them while in immense pain and they were crying while doing so and it was an endless cycle that carried on and on and on they were vomiting too and eating that back up and it was just one big horrible scene. i was trapped somewhere for a very long time taking the most shallow of breaths constantly with what felt like no air to breath, when i finally
got out of that bit i finally felt like i was taking the longest breaths i could in and then out and it was as if brown mountains where coming out of my lungs and i had to keep up with these breaths in order to out run the brown mountains that where chasing me and in order to live, i remember towards the end of this my head getting bigger and bigger like bigger until it was bigger then the the earth and my head was resting on a dusty planet that looked dark and grey like the moon and i had a tiny little body like a matchstick body and i remember somehow pressing the back of my head when this had happened because i had a floppy disc drive in the back of my head and a floppy disc popped out i felt like i literally ejected my whole being and consciousness. A scary part about all of this is after all this happened and i started getting better my mum went to a catholic school when she was a kid and she isn't a catholic at all but she knows a few things from going to a catholic school, she then told me that the bible says that there is no blood in hell because blood is for the living which sent goose bumps all over my body at the time and it really made a lot of sense to me from where i had just been, i also saw and felt when i got better towards the end of all these visions almost as if i was in my own veins which seemed like caves at the time and i remember a bright red blood that felt pure and fresh and had life in and this was when i was living and breathing again here in reality and was learning words again. Another part i remember is a lot of people running in a white mist just running constantly as far as they could until they dropped and people would just keep dropping at different places down to how good there health was you would just have to keep running and running constantly to see how far you could run till it felt like a test. i was then whisked away again to somewhere that was miles and miles underwater in what felt like was the deepest sea to be in and at the bottom there was an underground city sealed in big air locks that had tubes and everything there, and i was undergoing a test in there and people wanted to find out who i truly was and i felt myself constantly morphing into what i thought they wanted to see me as just so i could get through that test and let them see what it was i thought they wanted to see they were very serious and scary being in there so for most of the time spent there i was the massive and great Poseidon and they had all bowed to me in fear while i was in there homes under the sea, and they kept wanting to put me in this machine to check my genes and DNA to see if i really was who it was i was saying i was and it felt like i was there for a long time at the end of what felt like another eternity of being in another environment the machine turned me into a chicken and i heard the sea monsters say "ah he's just a chicken" and i clucked along the floor to get out of that place and i then was whisked away again being dragged up through miles and miles of sea looking back and down on the underground city structure that i was once in and what had felt like an eternity that i spent there. I also remember the great feeling of feeling as if i had a "bug"/ virus in my arm and under my skin that word just constantly rung in my mind at this point "bug" and i felt as if it just wouldn't come out and it was inside of me like a tracking device in a sense too and i just had to get it out at some point through a lot of all of this i was being assisted by what felt like an in built customer service program that was constantly giving me help and words of wisdom all the way through a lot of all of this once i had came back from the underwater
part and i tried accessing the customer service help again (which was kinda like two women sitting at a desk advising me and talking to me when i needed them too with headsets on) i went back to access them to see what they had to say and the whole room had been flooded and they were both dead and i remember them saying i cant keep using this service all the time i shouldn't be using it as many times as i was but eventually they were gone too
and there was no one picking up the phones when i was calling them and no one there to answer. after this it was as if i was laying in the middle of black empty space alone and dying very rapidly but i was pulling medics from all different nations from all over the earth and they were all different languages through worm holes and they were all rushing through one and then aiding me and rushing back out through another and i had so many of them rushing through at different times trying to bring me back to life and to help heal me and i knew that i couldn't have to many different nations of people there at the same time because then they would no that i was using what at the time what i would of described as time travel and instead of individually attending to me quickly and then exiting again through a worm hole i got the impression that they would stop and speak to each other and realise what was actually going on and that they were actually coming through worm holes
to help me and it felt as if i needed every single second of every individual to come and aid me otherwise i would not of stood a chance at being healed. some were rushing in with hospital bed type things on wheels some with defibrillators some with med kits and i felt that i couldn't compromise time and allow them to know where they were or what i t was they were actually doing they just knew they had to be there and they had to try to help, and as i said if for instance a German one had stopped and realised there was an African one there
he would then want to stop and start speaking to them and catch on to what was actually going on and i really felt like i needed every single second from every single individual. afterwards i was in the middle of complete black space with no light what so ever and i remember flying through this space at great speeds for what seemed like thousands of miles in every direction just looking for something someone or anything that just wasn't pitch blackness and i was doing this for a what felt like an eternity just searching for something
until in the distance i saw a little pinhole of white light slightly glowing hundreds of miles away and so i rushed to it flying and gliding as fast as i could until i went straight into it and then after that it felt as if i saw sets of seven of a lot different things the first things were a set of seven white lights all miles apart and i think i was being flung from to another or through one and out another this part is a bit hazy though as i just remember just witnessing sets of seven of a lot of different things i saw seven flames like perfect single candle flames all too miles apart from each other and i cant really clearly remember other things that were in sets of seven i just remember at the time the number seven feeling very significant. I live on the south east coast of England and after that i remember coming through what seemed to be like the bottom of a water slide and i was falling down through the sky for quite some time until below me i could see a tiny little island and it started getting bigger and bigger and here in our hill tops in our town we have a big red travel carriage thing that people pay money to sit in and it takes you up the rocky hills on tracks and i remember seeing this from a great distance as i was falling through the clouds getting closer and closer to the shore lines i kept on falling closer and closer to the land until i could see the top of my house and i carried on falling and i then came straight through the top of the roof of my house and straight back into my body and my eyes just instantly opened almost as if everything had happened in a mere blink and i was then back in my body and i had the most strangest sensation of then feeling like i was laying down looking up instead of falling down and looking down, it made me feel slightly dizzy but only for a second, the only way i can describe the last feeling was like the last couple of seconds before something
calibrates perfect back into perfect working order. and there i was laying in my bed again alive and breathing and awake in the same world with a completely different perspective.
And please remember prior to all of this happening i really had no insight or knowledge of the bible what so ever, i had no understanding of significant number meanings no conscious knowledge of hell and heaven or things like that ( apart from living a blind life watching movies and things like that) and i really had no understanding of god and his true word what so ever, but yet after all of that happening to me the only way i could describe it is that i died been to hell and then was given a second chance so this is when i started believing, reading the bible and truly looking at the world from a complete different perspective.
because for the first month or two that i was back here nothing made any sense to me what so ever i kind of had to learn everything again it felt as if my brain had been wiped and it was clean and fresh like i was a child again and the only things i could make sense of the only things i could actually understand and the ONLY things that did make sense to me from there on out was the bible and Internet videos about god weather i liked it or not. Hebrew also seemed very easy to learn and understand too because i felt like i had a fresh mind i could see more clearly and certain things seemed a waste of time and other things seemed to speak to me very easily so that's when i started learning Hebrew too. after learning the alphabet from Hebrew and the vowel points from the Internet it was then at a later date that that i had gone up to visit the Jehovah witnesses church because once again i was learning things over again and with them knocking at my door at the time and me not having any
understanding of bibles or people really it felt like a nice invitation to meet like minded people and i got one of their copies of the bible off them. after reading a little bit of it with them i told them that i was interested in Hebrew and they showed me that the bible actually had the Hebrew letters in it then when i got home that day i wanted to check to see if the king James bible too had the Hebrew alphabet in and i discovered it did which really made me want to carry on learning the language that i seemed to understand very well and it seemed more then just a coincidence that the language i had been enjoying was written in the only book that made sense to me at the time.

This was my experience and make of it what you will but i hope by posting this here it at least makes sense to some people and helps people too.

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Kazane said:

That makes sense and i guess down to other people that want to label others i would be labelled a christian then. thank you for making this clear

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Dirk1540 said:

I've actually done the social experiment which is why I chimed in, and I had an atheist friend of mine totally agree with me on this one. We were sitting in a room with 8 random people and I said to him once "There is no conversation under the sun that I can start having right now that will make the average person wanna cringe and run away more than any Jesus related topic." He paused, as if recalling all the times Jesus was brought into a conversation, and said "Hey you're completely right!" And this guy was a social butterfly and studier of human behavior. We started breaking the theory down into different types of people we know, and we also thought about different conversations that people on average don't like to have such as politics, horrible news stories like a baby being killed, conversations of other religions besides Christianity, SALES, etc. We concluded that you get a deeper level of uneasiness from bringing up Jesus than anything of them.

Even politics and sales will trigger most people's 'Ignore' mode at a high rate, but the CRINGE level is much lower (at least in my opinion and my friend's). I've seen the following, person A is NOT a Christian and brings up a conversation about how somebody else was talking about Jesus (kind of a 'what's you take on this nonsense' conversation). He was talking to person B who will pretty much talk about anything. Person B says "PLEASE STOP!! Let's talk about anything other than that!!" The reason this story is a good example of the cringe level of bringing up Jesus is because person A was clearly not 'Preaching' to person B and person B knew it. So in a situation where nobody was preaching, why get so weirded out over somebody bringing up some dude from history named Jesus??

Of course you'll always get the people who will even argue, and not shy away from a Jesus topic, but funny thing is that I have known 1 or 2 people that used to have the 'Cringe and run away' reaction BEFORE they studied up on atheist anti-Christian arguments and became a person who had the argue reaction. I'm not saying that there aren't people who will naturally argue Jesus against you without reading atheist material, I'm just talking about averages and majority situations (in my experience).

But the ultimate kicker for me (the social experiment) is bringing up Muhammad!! If there is ANY topic that should equally, or even more so, make people cringe it's Muhammad, but it doesn't!! Not even close. Oh you'll definitely get a few ANGRY people, but that cringe level is just not there. Some try to explain this weird 'I cringe at the mention of Jesus' phenomenon away by talking about the uncomfortable social parameters you create when you PUSH religion on people. But it doesn't happen if you bring up Islam. And there is no religion that is SCARIER in terms of radicalization than Islam. So the fact that the reaction to an Islam conversation doesn't have the same cringe level is very bizarre. Also in my example before clearly person A was not pushing anything on person B. It does not make sense at all...that is of course unless you buy into the Christian story that it is our natural human state to reject the word of God!

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Dirk1540 said:

It does not make sense at all...that is of course unless you buy into the Christian story that it is our natural human state to reject the word of God!

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SkyWriting said:

It is. But the analysis is that Christians are not good at evangelism.
In my 30 years as a Christian, I've only met one person who is amazing at
being a Christ filled person. He mostly listens.

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GirdYourLoins said:

It is not. I've already said why, its because there is power in the name of Jesus that they are reacting to. Its not that they are rejecting the word of God so much as they are experiencing the power in His name, which they dont recognise so there is a reaction to it.

I'm glad I came back on though because as soon as I saw this and thought about my reply it struck me. We use the name of Jesus as if it had no power and as such when we throw it about with reckless abandon. To people who dont know Jesus its like we are throwing spiritual punches at them. Think about it, it makes sense. And then add the reaction you get from people, its either defensive of fighting back. God has really been showing me that there is power in the name of Jesus recently and I have already been using it in prayer with conviction but with this thread it is also leading to me realising that we need to use it with respect as well and consider the impact it has on other people.

It is also why people use His name as a curse. Because there is power in the name.

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SkyWriting said:

There is only power in the person you are naming.
I know a couple Jesus's at work. It's not a big deal.

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Dirk1540 said:

I've actually done the social experiment which is why I chimed in, and I had an atheist friend of mine totally agree with me on this one. We were sitting in a room with 8 random people and I said to him once "There is no conversation under the sun that I can start having right now that will make the average person wanna cringe and run away more than any Jesus related topic." He paused, as if recalling all the times Jesus was brought into a conversation, and said "Hey you're completely right!" And this guy was a social butterfly and studier of human behavior. We started breaking the theory down into different types of people we know, and we also thought about different conversations that people on average don't like to have such as politics, horrible news stories like a baby being killed, conversations of other religions besides Christianity, SALES, etc. We concluded that you get a deeper level of uneasiness from bringing up Jesus than anything of them.

Even politics and sales will trigger most people's 'Ignore' mode at a high rate, but the CRINGE level is much lower (at least in my opinion and my friend's). I've seen the following, person A is NOT a Christian and brings up a conversation about how somebody else was talking about Jesus (kind of a 'what's you take on this nonsense' conversation). He was talking to person B who will pretty much talk about anything. Person B says "PLEASE STOP!! Let's talk about anything other than that!!" The reason this story is a good example of the cringe level of bringing up Jesus is because person A was clearly not 'Preaching' to person B and person B knew it. So in a situation where nobody was preaching, why get so weirded out over somebody bringing up some dude from history named Jesus??

Of course you'll always get the people who will even argue, and not shy away from a Jesus topic, but funny thing is that I have known 1 or 2 people that used to have the 'Cringe and run away' reaction BEFORE they studied up on atheist anti-Christian arguments and became a person who had the argue reaction. I'm not saying that there aren't people who will naturally argue Jesus against you without reading atheist material, I'm just talking about averages and majority situations (in my experience).

But the ultimate kicker for me (the social experiment) is bringing up Muhammad!! If there is ANY topic that should equally, or even more so, make people cringe it's Muhammad, but it doesn't!! Not even close. Oh you'll definitely get a few ANGRY people, but that cringe level is just not there. Some try to explain this weird 'I cringe at the mention of Jesus' phenomenon away by talking about the uncomfortable social parameters you create when you PUSH religion on people. But it doesn't happen if you bring up Islam. And there is no religion that is SCARIER in terms of radicalization than Islam. So the fact that the reaction to an Islam conversation doesn't have the same cringe level is very bizarre. Also in my example before clearly person A was not pushing anything on person B. It does not make sense at all...that is of course unless you buy into the Christian story that it is our natural human state to reject the word of God!

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GirdYourLoins said:

You dont need to do a social experiment to know this.

There is a perfectly logical and understandable reason for it.

There is power in the name of Jesus. The reaction you are describing is not cringing, it a reaction to a power that these people dont recognise or understand. We all know the flesh is in a battle with the Spirit and it the flesh reacting to the power in the name of Jesus that causes "cringing". Its useful to know this as when you are talking to people you can tell them that they are experiencing the power in His name. ts something I've only recently really understood properly fairly recently and have said it to a few people when talking to them. Just by telling them that they are experiencing a reaction to the power in His name you can see they realise you are telling them the truth and they it goes a long way to helping them understand their reaction.

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GirdYourLoins said:

It is not. I've already said why, its because there is power in the name of Jesus that they are reacting to. Its not that they are rejecting the word of God so much as they are experiencing the power in His name, which they dont recognise so there is a reaction to it.

I'm glad I came back on though because as soon as I saw this and thought about my reply it struck me. We use the name of Jesus as if it had no power and as such when we throw it about with reckless abandon. To people who dont know Jesus its like we are throwing spiritual punches at them. Think about it, it makes sense. And then add the reaction you get from people, its either defensive of fighting back. God has really been showing me that there is power in the name of Jesus recently and I have already been using it in prayer with conviction but with this thread it is also leading to me realising that we need to use it with respect as well and consider the impact it has on other people.

It is also why people use His name as a curse. Because there is power in the name.

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GirdYourLoins said:

Youre being pedantic. Its clear I mean Jesus Christ and if you understood the power in His name I am sure it would help you in your walk with God. With the place where I am with God at the moment this really feels to me like you are belittling the name of Jesus to the worldly version. It is by confessing Him as Lord that we are saved. Romans 10:9. It only says Jesus here. That is power in His name. Also read Mark 16:17. I suggest you do a bible study on the power and authority found in the name of Jesus Christ.

I had been praying for greater effectiveness for God and a closer relationship with Him. He answered by putting on my heart about the power in the name of Jesus and I have never felt as effective and full of faith. As I have increased my understanding of the power in Jesus name I am finding my faith and effectiveness as a Christian are stronger than ever. I do a homeless project once a week and when I talk to people there the responses I get have changed since I have understood this and applied it. I'm now getting far more people responding to my witnessing to them and thanking me and giving me hugs. When you tell them that there is power in the name of Jesus and that it will cause a reaction in their flesh it goes from being something they dont understand and push away from to something that is a witness of the power of God and can open them up to accept Him. Do a bible study on the name of Jesus, pray and ask God to use it make you more effective and put this into practice. Then come back and tell me how it helped you.

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GTW27 said:

And if you also do a Bible Study of what is in man, plus The Power that is in The Name of Jesus. The sum of this is the cringe that you see. This is very effective when witnessing, because they will ask themselves why that name effects them the way it does. It is a form of enmity towards that Name."Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover feast, many believed in his name when they saw the signs which he did; but Jesus did not trust himself to them, because he knew all men and needed no one to bear witness of man; for he himself knew what was in man."

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