My Verification Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Matthew 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away.
23 And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.
24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.
25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

How would you scientifically verify Jesus walking on water, even if you were there when He did it, and had the technology at your disposal that you have today?

(Keep in mind the ship is being tossed with waves.)

You have all the equipment and knowledge at your fingertips.

How would you verify it?

 

[SelfSim]

If its feasible in principle, nowadays, (ie: as far as physical law and objectively consistent contexts), then extrapolation into the past would be rather straight forward.

To compensate for rough water, I think we'd be looking at more robust, open-water faring technologies including stabilisers, I think:



I think a well-controlled experiment could then conducted by someone demonstrating, (with credentials/paperwork), of being widely known as having name of: 'Jesus'(?)

Of course, we wouldn't be verifying anything because that would only demonstrate a deviation from the scientific method. Demonstrating consistency with feasibilty trials is all we'd be pitching for, I think(?)

PS: Good luck! It won't be me doin' it tho!

 

[BobRyan]

Matthew 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away.
23 And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.
24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.
25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

How would you scientifically verify Jesus walking on water, even if you were there when He did it, and had the technology at your disposal that you have today?

(Keep in mind the ship is being tossed with waves.)

You have all the equipment and knowledge at your fingertips.

How would you verify it?

Thermal imaging??

 

[sandman]

I was there.... and it seemed at one point that He was skipping ...not just walking... It could very well have been the waves giving me a distorted view...they were pretty high ... But as I remember (and it's been a while) His tunic was not even wet.

 

[Servus]

When it comes to this I keep in mind that it can't be scientifically verified how bumblebees are able fly (or so I've heard numerous times).

 

[pdudgeon]

With a ping pong ball.
The ping pong ball floats on water, even rough water, because it is light, filled with air, and it has substance that cannot be permiated by water.
Jesus we know was filled with the Holy Spirit, his body could not absorb water, and thus be weighted down, and He was the Master of all elements.

 

[Hans Blaster]

With a ping pong ball.
The ping pong ball floats on water, even rough water, because it is light, filled with air, and it has substance that cannot be permiated by water.
Jesus we know was filled with the Holy Spirit, his body could not absorb water, and thus be weighted down, and He was the Master of all elements.

Ahh, the Monty Python Test. See if he floats.

You know what it means if someone floats and what must be done.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

When it comes to this I keep in mind that it can't be scientifically verified how bumblebees are able fly (or so I've heard numerous times).

No it is verified, they just are just the worst aerodynamic creature out there. Their little wings beat at incredible speed, if you got enough flapping you can make anything fly. Humans could easily fly at a fraction of the speed if we beat our arms back and forth many many times per second.

 

[sjastro]

To quote Aleksandr Orlov who would be familiar to UK and Australian members the answer is "Simples".

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I would kindly ask Jesus if he would submit himself to a SG (Specific Gravity) test.

If the SG of Jesus is less than one I'm convinced he can walk on water.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Can we apply the same reasoning to Philip flying through the air ???

 

[Hans Blaster]

Can we apply the same reasoning to Philip flying through the air ???

Philip who and when?

 

[AV1611VET]

I would kindly ask Jesus if he would submit himself to a SG (Specific Gravity) test.

And if He began to sink?

Matthew 14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Acts 8
38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.

 

[AV1611VET]

Philip who and when?

I think he means this passage:

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

 

[AV1611VET]

Acts 8
38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.

You ninja'd me!

 

[Servus]

Can we apply the same reasoning to Philip flying through the air ???

Definitely. But was it flying or teleportation?

 

[Sabertooth]

You have all the equipment and knowledge at your fingertips.

Can we use a motorcycle...?

Motorbike Rides Across Water Surface

 

[Hans Blaster]

Acts 8
38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.

Thanks for the sourcing, but I'm still not sure *who* Philip is.

The "flying" part isn't clear either. This "spirit" snatched him away and he was no longer visible, but ended up in Ashdod some how.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Philip was one of the 12 disciples.

 

[AV1611VET]

Definitely. But was it flying or teleportation?

Teleportation, IMO.