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What's the alternative? Christ says,

Matthew 4:17 CSB17
“From then on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, because the kingdom of heaven has come near.””
Christ said nothing about making any conditions for Salvation.
 
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"Works" in the NT is law keeping (Ro 3:28).
Its not limited to that, its all conditions, besides that, the law principle is very broad. Its the greek word nomos:

anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command

  1. of any law whatsoever
    1. a law or rule producing a state approved of God
      1. by the observance of which is approved of God
    2. a precept or injunction
    3. the rule of action prescribed by reason

For instance, repentance is a command Acts 17:30

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

So if one says they were saved by God because they obeyed the command to repent, then that's law keeping for Salvation, no way around it.
 
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In the NT, "the law" does not refer to every command, but to a specific written code.

In the NT, "works" refers to law keeping.
 
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In the NT, "the law" does not refer to every command, but to a specific written code.

In the NT, "works" refers to law keeping.
Wrong, a command is a command and by definition a law, if you believe you were saved because you obeyed a command to repent, congrats you are saved by law keeping and are bound to keep the whole law to be saved.
 
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You've misunderstood me every step of the way.

Do you have to repent to be saved? Yes or no?
No, you condition salvation on a persons acts of repentance and believing, so that's works salvation.

Now a person is legally saved from the penalty of their sins and Justified before God and declared righteous, reconciled to God, without repenting, without believing, but solely upon the fact that Christ died for their sins.
 
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Are you a universalist? If you are, this conversation is meaningless.
 
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Its not limited to that, its all conditions, besides that, the law principle is very broad. Its the greek word nomos:
anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command

That hermeneutic has a limp.
"Law" is limited to its usage in the NT.

In the NT, the actual meaning of a word is governed by its usage.
For example, "spiritual" (not used in the gospels) means non-material, non-physical, not corporeal.
However, that is not its meaning in NT usage, where it is "of the realm of the Holy Spirit" rather than simply "non-material."

Likewise, the meaning of "law" in the NT is governed by its NT usage; i.e., Mosaic written code, not by your definition.

Wrong, a command is a command and by definition a law, if you believe you were saved because you obeyed a command to repent, congrats you are saved by law keeping and are bound to keep the whole law to be saved.

What a strange hermeneutic. . .

In the NT, faith is not works, rather in salvation and justification faith is opposed to (it is not identified with) works (Eph 2:8-9, Ro 3:28).

In the NT, works is law keeping of the written code.

Your definitions have no authority in the NT, where the meaning of words is shown in how they are used throughout the NT,
as demonstrated above in the use of "spiritual" and of "faith vs. works."
 
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Are you a universalist? If you are, this conversation is meaningless.
No Im not. Christ only died for Gods elect and all are not Gods elect. Do you believe people Christ died for are Justified before God soley on the basis of His death for them apart from their faith and repentance , and while they are unbelievers still ? Yes or No
 
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Lol call it strange, if you condition your salvation on obeying a command, its works, law keeping salvation, and its totally divorced from Salvation by Grace through Faith.
 
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