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You now know the secret of debating creationism.
Never ... under any circumstances ... stray from Genesis 1 in discussing creationism.
If you do, the conversation is over, and they will discuss everything BUT creationism.
Did Jesus debate creationism?So I guess all those passages where Jesus talks about creation can take a hike, huh?
I'd say no, but not for the reasons most people would. From my perspective, even if I was a Christian, I wouldn't view the universe itself as a direct creation of god, but rather god as a product of the universe forming. So, all the accounts in the OT would have to be post Big Bang. The formlessness of the Earth could be interpreted as it not being all in one piece, and god collected the matter together to form the planet. Same goes for stars; the matter was there, but had yet to be organized into stars. I derive this from Genesis only stating that god creates objects out of existing matter, such as Adam being made out of dust rather than his mass just poofing into existence.True or false?
The Big Bang is an Old Testament event.
So the universe came first, then God?I'd say no, but not for the reasons most people would.
They could have arose at the same time, or god could have been a product of the Big Bang, the bible does not say. Simply put, if I were a Christian, I would not interpret the OT as actually mentioning the origin of god or the universe itself, since it starts out with things already existing, such as water, so it'd have to be post Big Bang.So the universe came first, then God?
We have a word for that: blasphemy.They could have arose at the same time, or god could have been a product of the Big Bang, the bible does not say. Simply put, if I were a Christian, I would not interpret the OT as actually mentioning the origin of god or the universe itself, since it starts out with things already existing, such as water, so it'd have to be post Big Bang.
Lol, it's just that I don't interpret "heavens" as the entire universe. Plus, since time existed only post Big Bang, the concept of "in the beginning" doesn't work prior to it. Which of course means that time already existed at the start of the OT, from the very first verse. But, I have a verse that may help:We have a word for that: blasphemy.
Jesus said: "As it was in the days of Noah". By his recognition of Noah as a real person & the flood of Noah, that is a defense of creationism. Also Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning." This is a reference to the "beginning" with Adam and Eve. Jesus reminds us of God's purpose and intention with Adam and Eve in the beginning. Jesus clearly substantiates everything Moses wrote.Did Jesus debate creationism?
When time took a hold of the universe that was the beginning. Also that was when the universe began to expand. Classic physics begins when time began. Before time you have quantum physics.Lol, it's just that I don't interpret "heavens" as the entire universe. Plus, since time existed only post Big Bang, the concept of "in the beginning" doesn't work prior to it. Which of course means that time already existed at the start of the OT, from the very first verse. But, I have a verse that may help:
Ecclesiastes 3:11
"He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end."
Perhaps why no one can do that is because even the very concept of a "beginning" doesn't entirely apply to god because it formed before time did (and said formation could have been the catalyst for the Big Bang), but that would be some extreme speculation on my part. I think it is very clear that the OT only covers events after time already existed.
They could have arose at the same time, or god could have been a product of the Big Bang, the bible does not say. Simply put, if I were a Christian, I would not interpret the OT as actually mentioning the origin of god or the universe itself, since it starts out with things already existing, such as water, so it'd have to be post Big Bang.
Only six votes?True or false?
The Big Bang is an Old Testament event.
I think most people would not know enough about what the "Big Bang" is supposed to be to dare to have an opinion about whether it seems likely to have happened or whether it fits scripture.Only six votes?
True or false?
The Big Bang is an Old Testament event.
But is it an Old Testament event?Scientific theories are nowhere to be found in the Bible.
But is it an Old Testament event?
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but as for me: if I believed in the Big Bang Event, then I would believe the Big Bang occurred in 13,800,000,000 BC.Depends how flexible you want to be with your interpretation of the Bible. If you allow a great deal of flexibility, then you can fit anything in there.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but as for me: if I believed in the Big Bang Event, then I would believe the Big Bang occurred in 13,800,000,000 BC.
That makes it an Old Testament event.
Look it it this way:
It certainly wasn't a New Testament event.
Again, I don't know what you're getting at then.Each of these passages could be interpreted as referring to the expansion of the universe.
Again, I don't know what you're getting at then.
The expansion of the universe and the Big Bang are two different things, aren't they?
I'm only concerned about the event that [allegedly] occurred in 13,800,000,000 BC.
Since the universe is still expanding, its expansion would be both an Old Testament and a New Testament phenomenon.
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