My Lunar Challenge

sbvera13 · Sep 15, 2009

MoonLancer said:
to say that since no evidence exists for given position strengthens an argument is crazy talk.

Remember the OP!

BTW, I'll say it. There is no evidence that the moon was created ex nihilo.

Of course, there is an enormous amount of evidence that it was not.

AV1611VET · Sep 15, 2009

pgp_protector said:
What would you accept as evidence?

Absolutely nothing --- there isn't any, in my opinion --- and never was.

AV1611VET · Sep 15, 2009

sbvera13 said:
Of course, there is an enormous amount of evidence that it was not.

By faith, I can deny that evidence as valid.

pgp_protector · Sep 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Absolutely nothing --- there isn't any, in my opinion --- and never was.

So given your OP

AV1611VET said:
Show me evidence that the moon was created ex nihilo.

I will take your word on it if you say that none exists.

It should really read something like this.

IMO OP Post said:
Show me evidence when there isn't any (I.E. Lie to me) that the moon was created ex nihilp.

I will only take your word if you say that none exist.

The Lady Kate · Sep 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
By faith, I can deny that evidence as valid.

I'm very proud of you... this is the first time I've ever heard you admit that you have faith.

Usually you treat it as something you try to inflict on other people.

AV1611VET · Sep 15, 2009

The Lady Kate said:
I'm very proud of you... this is the first time I've ever heard you admit that you have faith.

It is, huh?

Even though you have seven replies in this thread: 1 ?

Skaloop · Sep 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
The Bible says otherwise

That would count as evidence that the moon was created ex nihilo, I suppose. Really, really poor and wholly unconvincing evidence, but evidence nonetheless.

pgp_protector · Sep 15, 2009

Skaloop said:
That would count as evidence that the moon was created ex nihilo, I suppose. Really, really poor and wholly unconvincing evidence, but evidence nonetheless.

But he said Their was no Evidence, so the Bible wouldn't count as Evidence.

Absolutely nothing --- there isn't any, in my opinion --- and never was.

lawtonfogle · Sep 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
By faith, I can deny that evidence as valid.

Come on AV, you should know how to better word it than that. You can state something like "While there is empirical evidence that this is the case, I have faith that the absolute truth (as compared to the empirical truth) is different than this."

Also, the evidence is still valid, as long as you use it in the correct domain. Scientific evidence gives empirical truths, not absolute truths. The evidence is still valid for use in empirical truths, which is what most people on this forum deal with.

lawtonfogle · Sep 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
The Bible says otherwise:If an object struck the earth and sent debris out into space, I would surmise three things:

The amount of debris that got ejected was much less.

The moon captured the debris, and the debris is now part of its surface.

The debris left our orbit and scattered into the cosmos.

Could it be that God actually made the moon using either natural means, or made it look like it had been made through natural means?

Pretend I build two houses. The first one I build 30 years ago, built with new (at the time) bricks siding. The second one I build 3 years ago, built with 27 year old brick siding. I then ask, based on the bricks,how old is each house?

Wedjat · Sep 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
By faith, I can deny that evidence as valid.

What.. I don't even...

I don't understand how you even think that's a valid argument.

"Well you see, science is wrong because I said so, so there case closed"

The mental gymnastics you preform to convince yourself that you're right are superhuman. Were this an actual gymnastics competition, you would not only get perfect tens for the sheer astoundingness of your performance, but you would completely obliterate all world records for centuries to come.

My head is actually about to explode trying to comprehend how you think.

MoonLancer · Sep 15, 2009

thank? hes talking about faith, he didn't say anything about thinking.

faith is almost the antithesis of thought and knowledge.

dewaddict84 · Sep 15, 2009

By faith, I can deny that evidence as valid.

After being here a while I've grown jaded to this sort of thing, but it is king of mind-boggling.

Still, that's just crude Tharumza.

sbvera13 · Sep 15, 2009

So what explanation is there for the counter-evidence if it is, as you believe, false? Why is the evidence there?

[serious] · Sep 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
By faith, I can deny that evidence as valid.

That's alright, by faith I can deny that you just said that.

There, we are all agreed then. The moon was created ex materia following the collision of a planet sized body with the earth.

pgp_protector · Sep 15, 2009

dewaddict84 said:
After being here a while I've grown jaded to this sort of thing, but it is king of mind-boggling.

Still, that's just crude Tharumza.

Yea, but more than once I can bet a few of us wanted to say something like that.

Meshach · Sep 15, 2009

pgp_protector said:
Yea, but more than once I can bet a few of us wanted to say something like that.

Of course, especially when you cant agree with what AV might say. Do you think it might work the other way too? From the attacks, belittling, mocking and out right rude and arrogant remarks constantly thrown AV's way he has truly held up better than any of his attackers. He is committed and uncompromised in his walk with God. He is a living example of many verses in the bible one being Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men. and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." Standing firm in his beliefs, unshaken, unmoved like a pillar for Gods Word. Knowing full well that if God is for him. WHO can be against him? Romans 8: 38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to seperate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
He is also well aware that his battle is not against flesh and blood, he is planting seeds, most likely lots considering his post count, and one day God will cause them to grow. AV your a good man, well saturated in God's Word. Keep throwing those verses out brother. Isaiah 55:11

lawtonfogle · Sep 16, 2009

MoonLancer said:
thank? hes talking about faith, he didn't say anything about thinking.

faith is almost the antithesis of thought and knowledge.

But a central cornerstone as well. Quite ironic in fact.

The Lady Kate · Sep 16, 2009

AV1611VET said:
It is, huh?

Indeed... something you claim for yourself, instead of using as a means to demean other people.

Even though you have seven replies in this thread: 1 ?

Wow... and I thought I needed to get out more.

Aggie · Sep 16, 2009

If AV is willing to admit that theres no evidence for what he believes, thats the first step towards admitting that creationism isnt science. (Since science is based on evidence). If hes willing to admit that, that at least makes him more honest than a considerable portion of creationists.

Thistlethorn said:
Lighten up, Aggie. He was joking.

You probably havent been here long enough to be aware of this, but one of my pet peeves at this forum is when newbies start acting like they can call all of the shots, despite lacking any understanding of this boards history, or what sorts of things have been considered helpful or unhelpful over the past 5+ years. When threads end up getting derailed, it almost always seems to be newbies who cause it. Look at Tharumzas reply in post #30do you ever see that kind of thing from members who joined in 2005 or earlier?

In my opinion, this forum has really gone downhill. Weve even got a n00b for a webmaster nowPauler has been registered for less than a year, and as far as Im concerned, has yet to demonstrate the kind of familiarity with this boards needs thats necessary in order to run it properly.

I wish we could have Erwin back.

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