• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

My Jesus Challenge

Jump to latest Follow Reply

Is the Biblical Jesus Christ a man-made invention?

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
Sort by date Sort by votes

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,275
52,672
Guam
✟5,160,658.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
awitch said:
If I answered, "Gods work in mysterious ways." would you be completely satisfied with that?
Click to expand...
Yes.

First of all, I don't know what gods you believe in, but I believe many of them were real.

Only they were fallen angels, not gods.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,866
8,388
Dallas
✟1,095,761.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Zoness said:
Limited, sure, but constantly growing. Science has done more for us than gods, so far.
Click to expand...

Let me know when science plans to promise us everlasting life in paradise.
 
Reactions: AV1611VET
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,275
52,672
Guam
✟5,160,658.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
awitch said:
Are you suggesting he manipulated t,he evidence?
Click to expand...
God had a project to do, and He did it with omnipotence & omniscience.

It took Him just six days to create the universe, but this project ... the Flood ... took more than a year.
 
Upvote 0

awitch

Retired from Christian Forums
Mar 31, 2008
8,508
3,134
New Jersey, USA
✟26,740.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
BNR32FAN said:
It’s possible, I don’t really know.
Click to expand...

What do you think the implications would be for a god who only saves believers (and punishes those who don't) to intentionally manipulate evidence to hide his existence and actions as described by scripture?
 
Upvote 0

awitch

Retired from Christian Forums
Mar 31, 2008
8,508
3,134
New Jersey, USA
✟26,740.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
AV1611VET said:
Yes.

First of all, I don't know what gods you believe in, but I believe many of them were real.

Only they were fallen angels, not gods.
Click to expand...

If you had to guess, how many fallen angels are there?
Have they all fallen or do they still fall to this day?
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,866
8,388
Dallas
✟1,095,761.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
awitch said:
What do you think the implications would be for a god who only saves believers (and punishes those who don't) to intentionally manipulate evidence to hide his existence and actions as described by scripture?
Click to expand...

Well if I had to take a guess and that what this is, not based on any direct scriptures, I would say that it seems that God does not want His existence to be proven. I don’t really see a need to question it. I simply take it on faith. I choose to believe because of the work He has done in my life. That’s all the proof I need. There’s plenty of evidence supporting God’s existence but nothing to actually prove it.
 
Reactions: AV1611VET
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,275
52,672
Guam
✟5,160,658.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
awitch said:
If you had to guess, how many fallen angels are there?
Click to expand...
I don't really know.

Let's go with 1000.
awitch said:
Have they all fallen or do they still fall to this day?
Click to expand...
That's a good question.

I don't know.

But my guess is YES, they are still falling today.
 
Upvote 0

Zoness

667, neighbor of the beast
Site Supporter
Jul 21, 2008
8,384
1,654
Illinois
✟490,929.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Married
AV1611VET said:
Its Author.
Click to expand...

I'm still not getting it. Do you mean to say god authored the Bible? But we know biblical Canon was established over centuries by a series of church councils convened to establish doctrine. We also know that the KJV is one specific translation of a Canon established by Luther, who removed books from the Catholic Canon.

If you're saying they're trying to get rid of god, that might be a side effect of science but it doesn't make specific philosophical claims. It can be used to come to conclusions though.
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,275
52,672
Guam
✟5,160,658.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Zoness said:
I don't believe in a creator and the evidence doesn't support the existence of one in any religious sense.
Click to expand...
Better let your neighbor know then.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble.

Perhaps he didn't get the memo?
 
Upvote 0

Zoness

667, neighbor of the beast
Site Supporter
Jul 21, 2008
8,384
1,654
Illinois
✟490,929.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Married
BNR32FAN said:
How to you believe we were created?
Click to expand...

Through a long series of processes laid out in detail in the Big Bang Theory, Natural Selection and Evolution. Humans came into being in their present form approximately 200,000 years ago.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,866
8,388
Dallas
✟1,095,761.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Zoness said:
Through a long series of processes laid out in detail in the Big Bang Theory, Natural Selection and Evolution. Humans came into being in their present form approximately 200,000 years ago.
Click to expand...

Wow so we genetically mutated over 200,000 years into complex beings with multiple complex systems all coinciding together in perfect harmony with such perfect placement of arms legs fingers toes eyes ears nose mouth and the natural instincts necessary for survival. I’m curious how did we survive so long without all these necessary components during the mutation process?
 
Reactions: AV1611VET
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,275
52,672
Guam
✟5,160,658.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Zoness said:
Do you mean to say god authored the Bible?
Click to expand...
He certainly wants the credit for it.

So fine, I'll consider Him GUILTY by admission.
Zoness said:
But we know biblical Canon was established over centuries by a series of church councils convened to establish doctrine.
Click to expand...
The authenticity of the Scriptures were already established and completed in AD 96.

These councils merely separated the wheat from the chaff.

As one man put it:

They weren't convened to create authorized books; they were convened to create a canon of books already authorized.

If I put you in a room with the following:

One dollar bills; two dollar bills; three dollar bills; four dollar bills; five dollar bills; six dollar bills; seven dollar bills; eight dollar bills; nine dollar bills; and ten dollar bills.

And asked you to separate them into two piles: Legal Tender and Fake Money.

Could you do it?
 
Upvote 0

Zoness

667, neighbor of the beast
Site Supporter
Jul 21, 2008
8,384
1,654
Illinois
✟490,929.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Married
BNR32FAN said:
Oh...perhaps science hasn’t offered us more than God after all.
Click to expand...

God is an idea that makes the idea of death more bearable. Science is a system of assessing the natural world and coming to conclusions about it's behavior. No, it isn't metaphysics, which is solidly in the realm of philosophy. Science serves a different function than to prove religion right or wrong but it yields enough information for people to make that decision on their own.
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,275
52,672
Guam
✟5,160,658.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Zoness said:
Through a long series of processes laid out in detail in the Big Bang Theory, Natural Selection and Evolution. Humans came into being in their present form approximately 200,000 years ago.
Click to expand...
Do all your(?) pagan gods agree with you?

Not one of them claim to have any part in creation?
 
Upvote 0

Zoness

667, neighbor of the beast
Site Supporter
Jul 21, 2008
8,384
1,654
Illinois
✟490,929.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Married

Well they're not even close to perfect. People die constantly, have failing organs or limbs or a myriad of other problems. In fact, it's kind of shocking we survive at all, sometimes.

Humans in our present form, Homo Sapiens, appeared around 200,000 years ago but our genetic ancestors go back much further and through many generations of successful adaptive change, we began to gain the qualities of our species. The internet has some pretty solid information regarding the finer details of the process if you're curious.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Spain’s Tower of Jesus Christ will make Sagrada Familia world’s tallest Catholic church
Replies
0
Views
63
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
Michie
God's Ways are Higher Than Ours
Replies
0
Views
115
Daily Devotionals
Christsfreeservant
They Believed in Jesus Christ
Replies
2
Views
254
Daily Devotionals
joechristianwarrior
J
Controversial Nicolas Cage movie about Jesus is blasted by outraged Christians
Replies
5
Views
315
Current News & Events (Articles Required)
RileyG
What the Catholic Church Really Is: The Body of Christ Explained
Replies
0
Views
89
One Bread, One Body - Catholic
johnnypapa
Menu
Log in
Register