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GodsSamus said:If macroevolution occurs, how come we NEVER see an ape produce a non-ape?
I just read your 3 introductory posts...the title "a final conclusion" is a bit ironic given the content of your posts..aeroz19 said:....
I know you think I am lost. I know exactly why you think so, and I know what you are thinking.
setzie said:......I tend to feel that you were never a Christian really.....
setzie said:I tend to feel that you were never a Christian really.
I am not a representative. It's just my feeling that I express.Jet Black said:aah the "you weren't a true christian" representatives arrive. how welcoming and loving.
setzie said:I am not a representative. It's just my feeling that I express.
Well, I publicised my thoughts. I discerned, I did not judge. Why should it be verboten? It must be the zeitgeist, I guess.Jet Black said:you are accusing someone of not having been a christian. it's a shame that this isn't as verboten as accusing someone of not being a christian.
setzie said:I just read your 3 introductory posts...the title "a final conclusion" is a bit ironic given the content of your posts..
Anyway I am Christian and I couldn't relate to most of the things you wrote about your Christian being.
Frankly, I don't know whether I would have perceived you as a Christian if I had met you personally.
I tend to feel that you were never a Christian really.
But that's only my perception from the things you write and the way you write those things.
raphael_aa said:For some of us, at some time in our lives, leaving christianity is a necessary step in our growth. The old structures become confining and we can no longer see our way forward in a nurturing faith. I believe God still goes with us. For some of us, at some time in our lives, we will return to christianity. A christian expression of faith will be the way forward in the next step of our continuing journey. But it will be a new faith, a deeper faith, a more grown-up faith. In any case, God is with us.
I am not interested in creation or evolution at all. That's also the thing, among Christians over here it's not an issue really neither for Christians nor for non-Christians. And the fact that you seem to cling very much to creation made me contemplative. It appeares to me like you wanted to prove to yourself all the time that your belief was right. It was too much dispassion in my eyes. I couldn't read the passion between the lines, maybe you can't describe it anymore because you lost it, my conclusion/assumption/intuition was just that you never had it.aeroz19 said:Well, I don't recall seeing you around here before. You haven't read that many of my posts (or any at all) from when I was still Christian. You also didn't know me before.
It might be the same sentiment, is my argument also the same? I didn't write the last phrase about deconversion though, it's not up to me.aeroz19 said:Your sentiments are the same as most other Christians: if you deconvert, you were never really saved anyway.
Maybe, I like being cynical, but only a bit. I tried to express my thoughts as accurate as possible.aeroz19 said:I am thinking that your response is a little cynical; maybe your felt a little threatened by my apostate testimony.
Where's lucaspa now?aeroz19 said:I asked for proof from evolutionists, and they gave it to me, especially lucaspa.
That's very sad to hear.
My impression when hearing from other deconverts is that the transition phase is often painful, but when it's over and they've found their new place in life they feel happier than they ever did. Perhaps talking with other deconverts might help you.
That said, have you considered that your troubles might not be because of the deconversion? I mean the troubles didn't start until a whole year after deconverting.
Peter
Hi aeroz.
I actually remember this old topic, your OP especially, and oddly enough I was remembering it to myself only a few days ago.
I don't know if it'll be helpful to you for me to share my experience, but there came a point in my own deconversion when I realized that there were certain satisfying moral and psychological truths woven throughout Christ's teachings that weren't dependent on any of the superstitions that I had given up. There was still enough of the structure standing for me to continue building on it without compromising my reason. Sadly, with the exception of a very few, the Christian community does not agree with me on this, so that I cannot, may not, reapproach them on the basis of what we still hold in common. It was a surprising and puzzling discovery. I had actually, naively, hoped for some sense of mutual celebration...I, at least, had felt celebratory about it.
So...yeah...sometimes the bottom does get kicked out and I feel afraid and a bit disoriented.
I recently ended up reading John shelby Spong's Jesus for the Non-religious. People kept recommending it to me and everytime someone did someone else would pipe up and say, "Don't read that. The man's a heretic." So, of course, I was intrigued. He captures my feeling on the matter pretty well. Another book that helped (oddly enough) was C. G. Jung's Answer to Job.
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