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My experience at a Tea Party rally
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This is not entirely true. Polls done on the Tea Party indicate that their priorities are split about 50:50 between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism. At least that is how I interpreted their results of being split for voting for Sarah Palin and Ron Paul.
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According to Politico's poll.
Tea partiers in two camps: Sarah Palin vs. Ron Paul - James Hohmann - POLITICO.com
Palin and Social Conservatism represents about 43% of the Tea Party
Paul and Libertarianism represent about 42% of the Tea Party.
There may be a way to explain this. Libertarianism is not really on the Democratic-Republican spectrum, you will find many supporters on both sides. Say hypothetically you find 1/3* of the Democratic party supports Libertarianism and the same being true with the Republican party, a difference of 10% among the Tea party is insignificant.
*number made up
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Didn't know there were so many Ron Paul Tea Partiers. It sure feels so different, like it's 95-98% Republican, 2-5% Libertarian.
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The GOP has swung so far to the "right" that many of its moderates have been forced out in an effort to maintain "ideological" purity. It isn't that Obama is far to the left - its because the Republicans have swung much further to the "right," as compared to the "big tent" days under Ronald Reagan.
The problem is that the Republicans need the moderate "swing vote" to return to power - particularly the presidency.
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TheNewWorldMan
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The fact that Sarah Palin is being seriously considered for POTUS is almost as telling as $75/bbl oil as a big fat red blinking light on the national control panel that says, "we're screwed."
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blueapplepaste
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Indeed. I find it deeply troubling that so many people would want a ditzy intellectual lightweight who can't even carry out a full term in office before quitting for selfish reasons to make some money.
This is a woman who I would imagine would have trouble keeping a table's order straight at a restaurant, let a lone running a country.
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Statistics? Studies show? Did you guys notice that the title was "My experience at a Tea Party" and not "The real truth behind the tea parties"?
The rally here in San Diego was pretty much a bunch of Neocons and a a small group of 3 or 4 ancaps. No one appreciated my signs which said things like "Tea parties are nice but when will you stop paying taxes?" and "It's not a protest if you had to get permission." (referring to having to get a license to stage a protest). People blinked blankly at my sign depicting atlas shrugging and got down right mad at my sign that said "No taxation with or without representation."
Mean while they cheered at the van of people driving up and down the street with 17 american flags flying out the windows, and highfived each other for their "brilliant" "NOBAMA" signs.
I saw a sign that said "No gay marriage, no illegal immigrants, etc..." And after the long list of things that the government should ban, it said "NO BIG GOVERNMENT!"
ARRRRGH! Do Neocons know how frustratingly contradictory they are? The whole thing was a rally for McCain/Palin08. The only thing remotely related to fiscal policy were the "no NEW taxes" signs...referring to a perceived promise by Obama to raise taxes. But the original Tea Parties staged by Ron Paul supporters were protesting REPUBLICAN fiscal policy since this was before the election and Republicans were still in power.
Whatever. Now I know. There's no reason for me to go to a Tea Party anymore. No matter what percentage of the people support which policies, the perception is that they are Republicans. I know they're not, but the fact remains that they still claim to be fiscally conservative while supporting their OWN government programs like the drug war, border fences, banning gay marriage, etc. They need to realize that taking and spending people's money for THEIR programs is just as bad as taking money for "liberal" programs.
The rally here in San Diego was pretty much a bunch of Neocons and a a small group of 3 or 4 ancaps. No one appreciated my signs which said things like "Tea parties are nice but when will you stop paying taxes?" and "It's not a protest if you had to get permission." (referring to having to get a license to stage a protest). People blinked blankly at my sign depicting atlas shrugging and got down right mad at my sign that said "No taxation with or without representation."
Mean while they cheered at the van of people driving up and down the street with 17 american flags flying out the windows, and highfived each other for their "brilliant" "NOBAMA" signs.
I saw a sign that said "No gay marriage, no illegal immigrants, etc..." And after the long list of things that the government should ban, it said "NO BIG GOVERNMENT!"
ARRRRGH! Do Neocons know how frustratingly contradictory they are? The whole thing was a rally for McCain/Palin08. The only thing remotely related to fiscal policy were the "no NEW taxes" signs...referring to a perceived promise by Obama to raise taxes. But the original Tea Parties staged by Ron Paul supporters were protesting REPUBLICAN fiscal policy since this was before the election and Republicans were still in power.
Whatever. Now I know. There's no reason for me to go to a Tea Party anymore. No matter what percentage of the people support which policies, the perception is that they are Republicans. I know they're not, but the fact remains that they still claim to be fiscally conservative while supporting their OWN government programs like the drug war, border fences, banning gay marriage, etc. They need to realize that taking and spending people's money for THEIR programs is just as bad as taking money for "liberal" programs.
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I think you're probably right. I have never been to a Tea Party, so I speak only from what I've seen and read from various sources, but it seems to me as though there are two opposing forces within the movement: actual fiscal conservatives who want to reduce the scope of government in the economic and social spheres, and Republicans who just want to call themselves something new and exciting. The former, although I disagree with them, at least have a internally consistent argument and platform; the latter have tried to claim the mantle of libertarianism to whittle down social justice programmes whilst, as you point out, use big government to enforce their view of a perfect America on everyone else, which is most certainly not consistent. A house divided against itself cannot stand as they say, and I forsee (if it hasn't already happened) the last of the people such as yourself giving up on the Tea Party and it becoming just another GOP movement. Which it was probably always intended to be.
[Tea partiers can freely tell me how I "don't get it" now. But if you do, please at least explain how I'm wrong]
Oh, and I loved the cartoon by the way
[Tea partiers can freely tell me how I "don't get it" now. But if you do, please at least explain how I'm wrong]
Oh, and I loved the cartoon by the way
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