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Was this story taken down in a court of law, under oath, and preserved until now?
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life" John 1:1

The Bible is considered to be personal first hand experance.
 
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Produce evidence that verifies this:

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

... or admit that there are things God did that didn't generate any.

It's your fairytale, not ours -- you back it up.
 
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"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life" John 1:1

The Bible is considered to be personal first hand experance.

Except where it's not.

"Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed." Luke 1:1-4
 
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What about Jesus quoting from "Noah" and "the prophets?"

If these what you call "oral traditions" (that were later written) were inaccurate would Jesus quote from them? In quoting from them

HE VALIDATED THEM!

There are many references in the bible to the written account "the Book of Law etc." I will provide references to these if you like.

So we are back to Jesus and the 66 authors of the bible ALL being liars is the only way you can negate the "truth of God's Holy Word".
 
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Not everyone believes that Jesus is infallible; not everyone believes that his words are faithfully recorded.

Using the Bible to support the Bible is kind of circular, isn't it?
 
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Jesus can and did use parables. If the story of Noah was a particularly apt analogy for the more is was trying to get across, why on Earth shouldn't he use it?

So your question, "If these what you call "oral traditions" (that were later written) were inaccurate would Jesus quote from them?", the answer is a resounding yes. God would have put them in the Bible for a reason - who are you to say what that reason must have been?
 
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Except where it's not. Luke 1:1-4
R U trying to work both sides of the street? Luke was a doctor and so he was trained to know how to investigate and do research. If he were to do a study on cancer then perhaps that would be fine with you, no problem. But he wants to do case study on a person: Jesus and now you have a problem. The funny thing is Luke was the only person to sit down and talk to Mary his "mother". Also Luke recorded a lot of the history of the early church. Perhaps his medical background gives Luke a more exacting approach, compared to someone like Josephus who was know to accept money to make people look good in his history books.

So if your not a monster does that mean you do not like Lady Gaga?
 
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Uh Luke never knew Mary, the author of the book of Luke was the disciple of Paul, not the apostle of Jesus. Luke knew second hand accounts of Jesus and says so in the gospel of Luke, he never met jesus in the flesh.

He did write the book of acts though, by the way, why are you attacking josephus? Scholars believe Luke got a lot of his history from Josephus, given how closely they match.
Please show evidence that josephus could be bought to write a fabricated history. He was known to be very pro-Rome but that isn't the same.
 
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You just love making stuff up, don't you, AV?
 
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You just love making stuff up, don't you, AV?
How else are you guys going to understand?

You don't like Truth, and now you're complaining about fiction?

What's left? science?
 
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Produce evidence that verifies this:

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

... or admit that there are things God did that didn't generate any.

Ah, biased opinion. You are assuming that it actually happened. After all, we can explain the fact that there is no evidence by saying it never happened, can't we?
 
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Ah, biased opinion. You are assuming that it actually happened. After all, we can explain the fact that there is no evidence by saying it never happened, can't we?
No -- think about it.

Since it happened, yet there's no evidence for it; then if you're right, and it didn't happen, then there should be evidence for it -- otherwise, you're setting up a false dichotomy.
 
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No -- think about it.

Since it happened, yet there's no evidence for it; then if you're right, and it didn't happen, then there should be evidence for it -- otherwise, you're setting up a false dichotomy.


AV, you're spouting nonsense -- as usual.

There is no evidence; even you admit this.

So either it happened or it didn't. It's not a false dichotomy; it's a binary question.
 
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