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My Embedded Age Challenge

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Explain how embracing the idea of "Embedded Age" enhances theology or adds anything of value whatsoever to man's understanding of God.
It explains how Adam was created with responsibility for his own actions.
 
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Embedded age is nothing but an ad hoc construct to allow acceptance of solid scientific theories so people of faith can shoehorn it into their personal religious beliefs. This is otherwise known as cognitive dissonance (i.e. allows them to sleep at night).
Cognitive dissonance does not allow people to sleep at night -- Thalidomide does.
 
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I thought Pluto did?

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Explain how embracing the idea of "Embedded Age" enhances theology or adds anything of value whatsoever to man's understanding of God.


It allows me to say 'I'm 21' - all the rest is 'Embedded Age'
 
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Explain how embracing the idea of "Embedded Age" enhances theology or adds anything of value whatsoever to man's understanding of God.

You can not even make the question straight.

The idea itself is a value. Accepting the idea adds something new to the understanding of God.

I know this is not what you try to discuss. But it does give a full answer to your question.
 
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To me the idea of embedded age seems to be a cop-out for when you really have no other way to explain the mountains of evidence demonstrating the age of the things around us.

We now need to invent something pretty much akin to Next Thursdayism in order to bring the world back within the perspective of your belief. I don't know if I will ever understand the sort of person that looks at the wealth of natural evidence around him and ignores it all in an attempt to fit his existence around one single belief that rational folks abandoned many many years ago. A belief that not only has no real evidence supporting it and pretty much all the evidence pointing to the opposite. Note I'm not talking about Christianity I'm talking speciically about the notion of a 6000 year old Earth.
 
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To me the idea of embedded age seems to be a cop-out for when you really have no other way to explain the mountains of evidence demonstrating the age of the things around us.

We now need to invent something pretty much akin to Next Thursdayism in order to bring the world back within the perspective of your belief. I don't know if I will ever understand the sort of person that looks at the wealth of natural evidence around him and ignores it all in an attempt to fit his existence around one single belief that rational folks abandoned many many years ago. A belief that not only has no real evidence supporting it and pretty much all the evidence pointing to the opposite. Note I'm not talking about Christianity I'm talking speciically about the notion of a 6000 year old Earth.

Most likely it is an idea emerged way before the technique of radiometric dating.
 
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To me the idea of embedded age seems to be a cop-out for when you really have no other way to explain the mountains of evidence demonstrating the age of the things around us.

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Note I'm not talking about Christianity I'm talking speciically about the notion of a 6000 year old Earth.
Which are you talking about?

Embedded Age ≠ YEC

Embedded Age does not say the earth is 6000 years old.

You're railing against something you know nothing about.
 
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Which are you talking about?

Embedded Age ≠ YEC

Embedded Age does not say the earth is 6000 years old.

You're railing against something you know nothing about.
I'm not talking about you I'm talking about the people that claim the Earth is 6000 years old and just made to look 4.5 billion years old. They exist. I have met a few of them.

Jeez AVET not EVERYTHING is about you. Get over yourself.
 
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I'm not talking about you I'm talking about the people that claim the Earth is 6000 years old and just made to look 4.5 billion years old. They exist. I have met a few of them.

Jeez AVET not EVERYTHING is about you. Get over yourself.
Well, excuse me.

You make a post mentioning Embedded Age, Last Thursday and YEC all together; and whining about something.

What exactly is your beef?

Can you be specific, and can you convince me you even know what you're talking about?

When I first brought the concept of Embedded Age to this forum, people railed against it automatically -- and they didn't even know what I was talking about -- (and still don't).
 
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When I first brought the concept of Embedded Age to this forum, people railed against it automatically -- and they didn't even know what I was talking about -- (and still don't).

Sure we do. It's total garbage. History is present, despite your protestations, as the ages of things are ordered in a way that implies a natural history.

And yet you rail against the science that shows that - which is contradictory. The only reason you came up with embedded age in the first place is because you're trying to mangle your personal interpretations of the Bible together with the number that science gives for the age of the universe.

It's a poorly thought through, internally inconsistent joke of an idea - no change there.
 
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Sure we do.
Not.
It's total garbage.
Outcome of 'not'.
History is present, despite your protestations, as the ages of things are ordered in a way that implies a natural history.
History is not present in Embedded Age cosmology.

And history is too easy to err with.

If God moved a star 10 light years farther from earth, you guys would [incorrectly] assume that star is 10 years older.
And yet you rail against the science that shows that - which is contradictory.
And you guys rail against the God Who put in Writing what He did -- which is self-defeating.
The only reason you came up with embedded age in the first place is because you're trying to mangle your personal interpretations of the Bible together with the number that science gives for the age of the universe.
FYI, I didn't come up with Embedded Age, and have shown it from Scripture, as well as from Adam Clarke's commentary.

Stuff like this is why I don't think you guys have a clear understanding of what Embedded Age really is.
It's a poorly thought through, internally inconsistent joke of an idea - no change there.
It only looks like that from your perspective, which perspective is full of biases and [mental] blocks.
 
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You can not even make the question straight.

The idea itself is a value. Accepting the idea adds something new to the understanding of God.

I know this is not what you try to discuss. But it does give a full answer to your question.

So the full answer is that the idea is both scientifically and theologically meaningless.
 
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