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But it is defined by a scientists in agreement with the former defintion of time. If we would have lived on mars this method would have been defined as nearly as dubble of those preiods of the radiation...

To apply this in refutation to fossils - on mars neandertals would have existed nearly dubble the time ago of what of earth... And the universe age is dubbled in universial time looking relativly from earth age to martian age... But remeber that years are defined in the same way both on earth and on mars!!
 
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But it is defined by a scientists in agreement with the former defintion of time. If we would have lived on mars this method would have been defined as nearly as dubble of those preiods of the radiation...
Yes, that is correct.

To apply this in refutation to fossils - on mars neandertals would have existed nearly dubble the time ago of what of earth...
But here is the misconception again.

Any event would not have existed a different time ago... only a different number of regional time units. That is an important difference.

But remeber that years are defined in the same way both on earth and on mars!!
It is not defined in the same way. It is defined by the orbit of the planet... and the planet is a different one!
 
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But it is defined by a scientists in agreement with the former defintion of time. If we would have lived on mars this method would have been defined as nearly as dubble of those preiods of the radiation...

Right, the quantity of periods would change if you were referencing that to , but the individual period of that atomic transition would still be the same on both Mars and Earth, as that wouldn't change depending on location.

In this sense, atomic time standards are better than orbital ones as they are more consistent.


Uh....that doesn't refute fossils. All our measurements are made using the same set of units, so merely changing the unit basis will not change the ratio of the timescales of two events.

Think of it this way:

Ratio of (e.g.) young earth age to age given by contemporary science is approx. 6,000:13,700,000,000 which is (very) roughly 1:2,000,000.

If you rescale your time unit so that each year is X times shorter, then you have: 6000X:13,700,000,000X, which still results in a ratio of (roughly) 1:2,000,000, as the X is a common factor and cancels out.

It doesn't matter what you change your time unit to, the result is still the same, and events will still (proportionally) take the same length of time relative to a reference interval of time, will still occur in the same order, etc.
 
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May i ask, what is a poe?
A 'poe' is a post made in jest that can't be understood by the reader.

Since you were only kidding, and the reader doesn't know that, he will probably take what you said seriously.

So -- to keep that from happening, Poe's Law says you must use at least a winking smiley -- () -- to alert the reader that you are just joking.

Otherwise, he might take you seriously.

It is named after it's inventor: Nathan Poe.
 
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But i am not kidding... i am not joking... i might be gay and happy! And that is what make me look like a poe!! and if people don't understand me. It is rather because of lack of interaction with eachother... That is common over the internet!! Because honestly, there are alot of people I don't understand....

What we can agree on, is that i am happy, filled with life, similar to those women who never had a chance to be a teenager but had to be adult ever since childhood. And that we have trubble undestanding eachother.

I don't use irony, atleast not against people below me!!
 
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And that is what make me look like a poe!!
It's not your fault, Lillen.

These guys like to think they know the Bible inside and out, and that they have heard everything there is to hear about what It has to say; and then, when someone comes along and posts something they have never heard before, they think you are joking.
 
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And also, when i don't understand my freinds, i do not simply ignore him. I rather ask a simple question "what do you mean by that?" or "can you clarify?"

If i would ignore everyone I don't understand i would be very lonley

And even though i used that flirt smiley i am dead serious... i would be very lonley!!


You could say i am like those americans realizing that i can do whatever i want to do, i can do anything, i am free. I am set free from the bondage of fear. i am set free from the bonds of rebellion, similar to a butterfly flying away from the larvea!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIlB9p9psEo
 
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And also, when i don't understand my freinds, i do not simply ignore him. I rather ask a simple question "what do you mean by that?" or "can you clarify?"

If i would ignore everyone I don't understand i would be very lonley =)
That is where maturity comes in.

Many people, when they do not understand, express their lack of understanding by mocking, joking or calling someone names.

It is sad, but you just have to consider the source and do the best you can.

 
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I had to ask when I got here, and that's actually not what a Poe is. A Poe is someone pretending to hold a certain position and playing clueless just to get a rise out of people. Sort of like a troll, only a fake troll. For example, s Poe might join the board, holding a creationist opinion, and intentionally use all the common misrepresentations of evolution. (eg: blah blah 747 in a graveyard! Why are there still monkeys?) even though they might not even be creationists at all, but just playing one for their own amusement.
 
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Actually, none of what you guys have been discussing has anything to do with why that tag is there, imho.

Anyway, back on topic.
 
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There are alot of people being able to look from another angle and being able to discuss from another angle! For instance i can reason looking from evolutionist view, and that is a must do when I try to argue it. There are other techniques in debating... if you try to make the bible invalid, you need to go to the bible to see what it says. In the same way if you try to make darwins origin of the speceis invalid i need to use that source as a refference point, i will meet alot of objection using hegels works... would i not?


If you want to spread unbelief with christians you need to go to the bible and argue using the bible as reference point...

In similar way argueing over the diety of christ with a jehovas witness you need to go to their tranlation of the bible to prove your point (I.e Who did john hte baptist prepare the way for?)
 
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You can do that -- this is usually the most acceptable way.

But I do not argue against evolution by going to Darwin's book to do it, because I do not know evolution that well.

Instead, I argue against evolution by arguing for the Bible, which will then argue against evolution for me.

I like to call it: denial by antithesis.
 
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...and notice how it hasn't worked for you at all.
 
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...and notice how it hasn't worked for you at all.
Oh, I wouldn't say that.

It worked on me pretty good.

It can do the same for you as well.
 
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