My Apple Raisin Bread Challenge

[AV1611VET]

I'm going to combine what I think are my two best threads ever into one single one, so I can qv just one source whenever I need to demonstrate: 1) creatio ex nihilo does not generate any evidence, and/or 2) the difference between YEC and Embedded Age.

My Apple Challenge:

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

My Raisin Bread Challenge:

What is the difference between raisin bread created ex nihilo with the raisins older than the bread, and raisin bread created ex nihilo with the raisins and the bread the same age?

 

[Nostromo]

I'm going to combine what I think are my two best threads ever into one single one

2

Your turn.

 

[Redac]

This thread made me hungrier than I already was.

 

[Loudmouth]

2

Your turn.

3

who's next?

 

[Redac]

3

who's next?

I'll go.

4

 

[Davian]

I'll go.

4

5

Can we toast this raisin bread?

Hmmmm.

 

[Jazer]

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

First you would have to convince me before I could attempt to convince others.

 

[AV1611VET]

First you would have to convince me before I could attempt to convince others.

Here's my Apple Challenge III: 1

Which is my Apple Challenge from a third-party perspective.

In other words, you are 'the friend'.

 

[Redac]

Here's my Apple Challenge III: 1

Which is my Apple Challenge from a third-party perspective.

In other words, you are 'the friend'.

You still have to demonstrate that the apple was created ex nihilo.

 

[AV1611VET]

You still have to demonstrate that the apple was created ex nihilo.

The ex nihilo is assumed in the premise, and should be treated as such.

 

[Blayz]

I've never had apple and raisin bread. Who makes it (apart from AV, ex nihilo)?

 

[Redac]

I've never had apple and raisin bread. Who makes it (apart from AV, ex nihilo)?

Google "apple raisin bread". There are (surprisingly) a lot of recipes combining the two.

 

[quatona]

The ex nihilo is assumed in the premise, and should be treated as such.

IOW: GIGO.

 

[Delphiki]

1 - If ex nihilo creation of the apple leaves no evidence, there's no reason to assume the apple was created ex nihilo.

2 - If you could witness the apple being crested ex nihilo, then that observation is it's own evidence.

3 - You can't witness anything created ex nihilo, as at least the observer would have to exist to see the apple created.

4 - Derp.

 

[Delphiki]

I've never had apple and raisin bread. Who makes it (apart from AV, ex nihilo)?

I don't know why, but this made me burst out loud in laughter at work. People are giving me strange looks.

 

[AV1611VET]

1 - If ex nihilo creation of the apple leaves no evidence, there's no reason to assume the apple was created ex nihilo.

2 - If you could witness the apple being crested ex nihilo, then that observation is it's own evidence.

3 - You can't witness anything created ex nihilo, as at least the observer would have to exist to see the apple created.

4 - Derp.

Thinking out loud, are you?

So then what's the answer?

You guys treat these challenges like they're some kind of show-your-work tests, and all I'm interested in is the answer -- not the cogitation behind it.

If I wanted that, I would ask for it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know why, but this made me burst out loud in laughter at work. People are giving me strange looks.

Let's hope you're not a taxi driver --

 

[Delphiki]

Thinking out loud, are you?

So then what's the answer?

You guys treat these challenges like they're some kind of show-your-work tests, and all I'm interested in is the answer -- not the cogitation behind it.

If I wanted that, I would ask for it.

The reason why you rarely get answers is because you are asking questions based on illogical premises. It's not our fault you don't know how to create a premise.

Here, try answering this one:

Suppose you were around before the universe. What temperature is it?

 

[Redac]

The ex nihilo is assumed in the premise, and should be treated as such.

Flawed premise.

 

[Nostromo]

You guys treat these challenges like they're some kind of show-your-work tests, and all I'm interested in is the answer -- not the cogitation behind it.

That's a great summary of why a lot of us view your 'challenges' with contempt.