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Muslims: what is the logic behind these verses in the Qur'an?

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The issue several pages back was can a Christian woman divorce an abusive husband, and the answer is no. She may only divorce if her partner is a non believer or if he commits adultery.

The Hadith I provided shows Muslim women can divorce their husband in a straight forward manner, although the majority are forced to remain married in often abusive marriages due to cultural peer pressure. One has to make the clear distinction between what a Religion teaches and the cultural practices of different groups of people.
 
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If her husband is abusive he is a non believer so she may divorce him. A believing husband won't beat his wife. Please quote the Hadith.
 
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When we tie a knot we become one, if you don't know who your marrying and end up saying the sacred vows over it whose fault is it but yours. For years divorce has broken up marriages destroyed families and split up siblings. Marriage is not a knot of shoe laces that become untied when finished its use, its a sacred bond where you pledge he rest of your life to another person, its no joke.
 
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When we tie a knot we become one, if you don't know who your marrying and end up saying the sacred vows over it whose fault is it but yours. For years divorce has broken up marriages destroyed families and split up siblings. Marriage is not a knot of shoe laces that become untied when finished its use, its a sacred bond where you pledge he rest of your life to another person, its no joke.
 
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If her husband is abusive he is a non believer so she may divorce him. A believing husband won't beat his wife. Please quote the Hadith.

It's well documented that lots of believing husbands beat their wives, even amongst the clergy.

Al-Bukhaari (4867) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the wife of Thaabit ibn Qays came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, I do not blame Thaabit ibn Qays for any defect in his character or his religious commitment, but I would hate to commit an act of kufr (disbelief) when I am a Muslim.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Will you give him back his garden [which he had given as mahr/dowry]?” She said, “Yes.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said (to Thaabit), “Accept the garden, and divorce her once.”
 
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I do not need you to tell me about divorce.

If people know who they are marrying why then,
"Why do you always...?"
"Why do you never....?

Do they not already know?

Get your nose out of the textbook and try to get with it.
 
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So just because he's in the clergy, he's a believer? Thaabit was the one who divorced her, she did not divorce him.
 
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I do not need you to tell me about divorce.

If people know who they are marrying why then,
"Why do you always...?"
"Why do you never....?

Do they not already know?

Get your nose out of the textbook and try to get with it.
Arguments happen in all relationships, however marrying the wrong person will always be your problem.
 
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Best you pray that you hit the jackpot then.
That's not how you meet the right women as women aren't objects, they aren't jackpots to be found nor are they knots that we untie. When you meet the right women who is a believer with strong faith, has good morals, and cares for you as much as you care for her, then you'll have an unbreakable bond.
 
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Really I should feel sorry for you,

I may express myself a little wierd, I do not have such a big wordstore to take from.

But I am not stupid.
 
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Really I should feel sorry for you,

I may express myself a little wierd, I do not have such a big wordstore to take from.

But I am not stupid.
I don’t really care, my friend.
 
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I don’t really care, my friend.

I painted a picture, taking a knot as illustrating a marriage that is built on loose ground,
Example,
"if there is any difficulty, we call it a day"
and a splice,
which illustrates a more permanent bond.

Then you come along and kicked away the legs of the eazle,




You did not even look at the picture,

If you had you may have sensed something of what the picture was illustrating.

But, the same for me, go you your way.
 
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Find me something different did from what the Rasidun did. Sufis pray at shrines Salafis don’t allow prayer at shrines, how do I find the correct basis based on a Quranist and Quran only approach.

Again, this is irrelevant because the question is can the Qur'an be understood without ahadith and tafsir? Now if you want to change the subject to intercessory prayer, hadith and tafsir won't help you either because Sunnis and Shi'is have different ones. And aside from Ali, they don't much care for the Rashidun. Besides the Companions of the Prophet were still alive. Why would they have saint shrines?
 
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Secularism has freed Christian women as previously, (within last 100 years) they had little to no rights in areas of divorce, inheritance and ability to cast a free vote.

Correct. Up until the end of the 19th century women had more legal rights in then Islamic world than she had in the West. But to be fair women in the Islamic world did not have nearly as much freedom of movement and without that legal rights are hard to exercise.
 
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