Muslim say Unique instead of Begotten in NT

[LittleLambofJesus]

Genesis 22:1 And it cometh to pass after these things that God hath tried Abraham, and saith unto him, `Abraham;' and he saith, `Here [am] I.' 2 And He saith, `Take, I pray thee, thy son, thine only one,even Isaac, whom thou hast loved, and go for thyself unto the land of Moriah, ......12 and He saith, `Put not forth thine hand unto the youth, nor do anything to him, for now I have known that thou art fearing God, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only one, from Me.'

Word begotten is out.

It is unique know .

Which one is inspired ?

Only to the muslims.

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:18 qeon <2316> {GOD} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} ewraken <3708> (5758) {HAS SEEN} pwpote <4455> {AT ANY TIME;} o <3588> {THE} monogenhV <3439> {ONLY BEGOTTEN} uioV <5207> {SON,} o <3588> {WHO} wn <5607> (5752) {IS} eiV <1519> {IN} ton <3588> {THE} kolpon <2859> {BOSOM} tou <3588> {OF THE} patroV <3962> {FATHER,} ekeinoV <1565> {HE} exhghsato <1834> (5662) {DECLARED [HIM].}

(NKJV) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him.]

(NASB) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(KJV) John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

(RSV) John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

(Rotherham) John 1:18 No one, hath seen, God, at any time: An Only Begotten God, The One existing within the bosom of the Father, He, hath interpreted [him].

(Young) John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

(MKJV (Green)) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.


"It cannot be too strongly asserted that in substance the text of the Bible is certain. Especially is this the case with the New Testament. The number of manuscripts of the New Testament, of early translations from it, and of quotations from it in the oldest writers of the Church, is so large that it is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved in some one or other of these ancient authorities. This can be said of no other ancient book in the world. Scholars are satisfied that they possess substantially the true text of the principal Greek and Roman writers whose works have come down to us, of Sophocles, of Thucydides, of Cicero, of Virgil; yet our knowledge of their writings depends on a mere handful of manuscripts, whereas the manuscripts of the New Testament are counted by hundreds, and even thousands&#8230;The Christian can take the whole Bible in his hand and say without fear or hesitation that he holds in it the true Word of God, handed down without essential loss from generation to generation throughout the centuries."--Sir Frederic Kenyon, "Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts" (London: Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1958), 55.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

bumpy........

 

[Abdurrahim]

*{He [Allah] has ordained for you the same religion as that which He ordained to Noah, and that which We inspired in you [Muhammad], and that which We ordained to Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and make no divisions therein. To those who worship other things than Allah, dreadful is that to which you call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He will, and guides to Himself him who turns [in repentance to Him].}* (Az-Zukhruf 42:13)





Psalms 2:7 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Does monogenes mean "Only-begotten" or "Unique"? The ISV renders John 3:16's "only begotten" as "unique". This is also the rendering in the margin of the NASB. But I do not see how "unique" is the most accurate and most clear translation, which the ISV claims to be. Jesus is God's unique son in many ways. The way he is unique is not as clearly stated in the ISV as it is in the Greek, which states clearly his uniqueness is in being the only begotten son of God.

The trouble is, the Greek isn't "clearly" (your word) saying "only-begotten". The traditional argument about the problem is that if MONOGENES is derived from a root of the verb GINOMAI (to become), then the word means "only existing" and hence "unique", but that if MONOGENES is derived from a root of the verb GENNAO (to beget), then the word means "only begotten".

Also for understanding of the reader, "only begotten" clearly states a truth that God has a son from himself, the ISV leaves the uniqueness unstated and therefore obscures the matter for the reader. The ISV translation is therefore not the most accurate or clearest translation of John 3:16. The traditional and literal rendering "only begotten" is.

Unfortunately, both GINOMAI and GENNAO appear both to be derived from the GEN root, which therefore proves nothing! The ISV renders the word as "unique".[/QUOTE]

Verses "Taken Away" in the New Testament
T = Taken Away F = Taken Away in Footnote
VERSE NIV NASV NKJV RSV NRSV NCV LIV
Matt 12:47 F T F
Matt 17:21 T T F T T T F
Matt 18:11 T T F T T T F
Matt 21:44 F T F F
Matt 23:14 T T F T T T
Mark 7:16 T T F T T T T
Mark 9:44 T T F T T T T
Mark 9:46 T T F T T T T
Mark 11:26 T T F T T T T
Mark 15:28 T T F T T T F
Mark 16:9-20 F F F T F F F
Luke 17:36 T T F T T T
Luke 22:43 F F F T F
Luke 22:44 F F F T F
Luke 23:17 T T F T T T T
Luke 24:12 F T F
Luke 24:40 T T F
John 5:4 T T F T T T F
John 7:53 - 8:11 F F T F F F
Acts 8:37 T T F T T T F
Acts 15:34 T T F T T T T
Acts 24:7 T T T T T
Acts 28:29 T T F T T T T
Rom. 16:24 T T F T T T
2 Cor. 13:14 T
James 1:8 T T



Differs from the King James Bible in the New Testament
o = Omitts a = Adds
NKJV NIV NASV NRSV RSV NCV LIV
WORDS o 2289 o 5219 a 3561 o 3890 o 6985 a 11114 a 17003
VERSES 0 o 16 o 17 o 18 o 25 o 16 o 7




The number of times 15 Major words differ from the King James Bible
o = Omits a = Adds * = Word is Completely Removed
WORD NIV NASV NKJV RSV NRSV NCV LIV
Christ o 25 o 34 o 1 o 32 o 87 a 121 a 44
Lord o 352 o 438 o 66 o 36 o 91 o 299 o 2368
Jesus a 292 o 64 o 2 o 53 a 16 a 1098 a 293
God o 468 o 87 o 51 o 111 o 138 a 803 a 452
Godhead o 3 * o 3 * o 1 o 3 * o 3 * o 3 * o 3 *
Lucifer o 1 * o 1 * o 1 * o 1 * o 1 *
devil(s) o 80 o 82 o 81 o 82 o 80 o 74 o 87
hell o 40 o 41 o 22 o 41 o 41 o 39 a 13
heaven o 160 o 127 o 50 o 83 o 88 o 186 o 26
damned (able, ation) o 15 * o 15 * o 15 * o 15 * o 15 * o 15 * o 7
blood o 41 o 39 o 23 o 26 o 46 o 157 o 174
salvation o 42 o 4 o 2 o 33 o 37 o 94 o 25
Word of God o 8 o 2 o 1 o 3 o 8 o 31 o 27
Word of the Lord o 25 o 2 a 4 o 2 o 3 o 217 o 236
Lord Jesus Christ o 24 o 21 o 21 o 22 o 20 o 15




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[Abdurrahim]

The above illumination is based upon the work of a scholar of international repute, Dr. Raymond Brown. It informs us that the innovated concept of Jesus being the "only begotten son" of the Father was developed in the fourth century. It was injected by Jerome into the Latin Bible to refute the claims made by Bishop Arius (d. 336) and his associates that Father alone was really God and Jesus was made (created) and not begotten. For further information it is suggested to read the detailed text written by Dr. Brown in the 'Anchor Bible' Volume 29, 'The Gospel according to John (i)', published by Doubleday Inc., Garden City, N.Y. (1966), p. 13-14. Apostle John had acknowledged Jesus to be an "unique son" of God but not the "only begotten son" of God. It is quite understandable that since Jesus was born to Virgin Mary he was indeed unlike others and therefore unique. However, in that respect Adam the son of God (Lk. 3: 38), was more unique being born without a father and a mother.

Consequences of the 4th Century Heresy:

The translators who use the Original Greek text written by Apostle John, as their source document to translate this controversial verse 3: 16, do mention that Jesus was a "unique son" or "one of a kind son" of God. Those who opt to translate that verse from the secondary document in Latin, known as The Vulgate, created by a scholar and apologist named Jerome (c. 347-420), do try to maintain that Jesus was the "only begotten son" of God. These strange inconsistencies within the translated texts for Jn. 3: 16 can be visualized from the reading of various translations reproduced below from the 'Gideon Bible'.

The famous 'Gideon Bible' is published by; The Gideons, the Christian Commercial Men's Association of America established in 1899. The organization has since then placed millions of copies of this Bible in hotels, hospitals, penal institutes schools and many other such public places. Below are the 25 translations of this often quoted verse John 3:16, in the world's important languages. Please try to read these translations and see the dual translations that are published within a single bible that is circulated in millions.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Genesis 22:1 And it cometh to pass after these things that God hath tried Abraham, and saith unto him, `Abraham;' and he saith, `Here [am] I.' 2 And He saith, `Take, I pray thee, thy son, thine only one,even Isaac, whom thou hast loved, and go for thyself unto the land of Moriah, ......12 and He saith, `Put not forth thine hand unto the youth, nor do anything to him, for now I have known that thou art fearing God, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only one, from Me.'

Word begotten is out.

It is unique know .

Which one is inspired ?

Only to the muslims.

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:18 qeon <2316> {GOD} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} ewraken <3708> (5758) {HAS SEEN} pwpote <4455> {AT ANY TIME;} o <3588> {THE} monogenhV <3439> {ONLY BEGOTTEN} uioV <5207> {SON,} o <3588> {WHO} wn <5607> (5752) {IS} eiV <1519> {IN} ton <3588> {THE} kolpon <2859> {BOSOM} tou <3588> {OF THE} patroV <3962> {FATHER,} ekeinoV <1565> {HE} exhghsato <1834> (5662) {DECLARED [HIM].}

(NKJV) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him.]

(NASB) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(KJV) John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

(RSV) John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

(Rotherham) John 1:18 No one, hath seen, God, at any time: An Only Begotten God, The One existing within the bosom of the Father, He, hath interpreted [him].

(Young) John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

(MKJV (Green)) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.


"It cannot be too strongly asserted that in substance the text of the Bible is certain. Especially is this the case with the New Testament. The number of manuscripts of the New Testament, of early translations from it, and of quotations from it in the oldest writers of the Church, is so large that it is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved in some one or other of these ancient authorities. This can be said of no other ancient book in the world. Scholars are satisfied that they possess substantially the true text of the principal Greek and Roman writers whose works have come down to us, of Sophocles, of Thucydides, of Cicero, of Virgil; yet our knowledge of their writings depends on a mere handful of manuscripts, whereas the manuscripts of the New Testament are counted by hundreds, and even thousands&#8230;The Christian can take the whole Bible in his hand and say without fear or hesitation that he holds in it the true Word of God, handed down without essential loss from generation to generation throughout the centuries."--Sir Frederic Kenyon, "Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts" (London: Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1958), 55.

The above illumination is based upon the work of a scholar of international repute, Dr. Raymond Brown. It informs us that the innovative concept of Jesus being the "only begotten son" of the Father was developed in the fourth century.

I can see why the muslims would want to accept that LOL.

Acts 3:22 Moses, indeed, said--A prophet, unto you, shall the Lord God raise up among your brethren, like unto me: unto him, shall ye hearken respecting all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you.

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

Revelation 2:18 " And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ' These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:............

http://www.christianforums.com/t2917837-question-for-muslims-on-son-of-god.html

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The number of times 15 Major words differ from the King James Bible

And who the heck would seriously study the Bible using the KJV. More "church doctrines" were "invented" from that version than any other it seems.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Word begotten is out.

It is unique know . Which one is inspired ?

The above illumination is based upon the work of a scholar of international repute, Dr. Raymond Brown. It informs us that the innovative concept of Jesus being the "only begotten son" of the Father was developed in the fourth century.

Also,, how does one become a "Scholar of international repute"? I don't think I have ever seen one of those yet. I believe the pope might believe he is one for example. Peace.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Genesis 22:1 And it cometh to pass after these things that God hath tried Abraham, and saith unto him, `Abraham;' and he saith, `Here [am] I.' 2 And He saith, `Take, I pray thee, thy son, thine only one, even Isaac, whom thou hast loved, and go for thyself unto the land of Moriah, ......12 and He saith, `Put not forth thine hand unto the youth, nor do anything to him, for now I have known that thou art fearing God, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only one, from Me.'

(Young) John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

Word begotten is out.

It is unique know .

Which one is inspired ?

Are there any greek scholars here, whether believers or unbelievers that can tell me if "unique" can be used in place of "only begotten" as the muslims claim? Thanks.

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:18 qeon <2316> {GOD} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} ewraken <3708> (5758) {HAS SEEN} pwpote <4455> {AT ANY TIME;} o <3588> {THE} monogenhV <3439> {ONLY BEGOTTEN} uioV <5207> {SON,} o <3588> {WHO} wn <5607> (5752) {IS} eiV <1519> {IN} ton <3588> {THE} kolpon <2859> {BOSOM} tou <3588> {OF THE} patroV <3962> {FATHER,} ekeinoV <1565> {HE} exhghsato <1834> (5662) {DECLARED [HIM].}

3439. monogenes mon-og-en-ace' from 3441 and 1096; only-born, i.e. sole:--only (begotten, child).3441. monos mon'-os probably from 3306; remaining, i.e. sole or single; by implication, mere:--alone, only, by themselves.1096. ginomai ghin'-om-ahee a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are the muslims correct on the word "unique" for "begotten"? Thanks.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

bump.............

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

bump.........

 

[Abdurrahim]

70.
Jesus departed from Jerusalem after the Passover, and entered into the borders of Caesarea Philippi. Whereupon, the angel Gabriel having told him of the sedition which was beginning among the common people, he asked his disciples, saying: 'What do men say of me?'

They said: 'Some say that thou art Elijah, others Jeremiah, and others one of the old prophets.'

Jesus answered: 'And ye; what say ye that I am?'

Peter answered: 'Thou art Christ, son of God.'

Then was Jesus angry, and with anger rebuked him, saying: 'Begone and depart from me, because thou art the devil and seekest to cause me offence!'

And he threatened the eleven, saying: 'Woe to you if ye believe this, for I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this.'

And he was fain to cast away Peter; whereupon the eleven besought Jesus for him, who cast him not away, but again rebuked him, saying: 'Beware that never again thou say such words, because God would reprobate thee!'

Peter wept, and said: 'Lord, I have spoken foolishly: beseech God that he pardon me.'

Then said Jesus: 'If our God willed not to show himself to Moses his servant, nor to Elijah whom he so loved, nor to any prophet, will ye think that God should show himself to this faithless generation? But know ye not that God hath created all things of nothing with one single word, and all men have had their origin out of a piece of clay? Now, how shall God have likeness to man? Woe to those who suffer themselves to be deceived of Satan!'

And having said this, Jesus besought God for Peter, the eleven and Peter weeping, and saying: 'So be it, so be it, O blessed Lord our God.'

Afterwards Jesus departed and went into Galilee, in order that this vain opinion which the common folk began to hold concerning him might be extinguished



From the Gospel of BArnabas :70

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Genesis 22:1 And it cometh to pass after these things that God hath tried Abraham, and saith unto him, `Abraham;' and he saith, `Here [am] I.' 2 And He saith, `Take, I pray thee, thy son, thine only one, even Isaac, whom thou hast loved, and go for thyself unto the land of Moriah, ......12 and He saith, `Put not forth thine hand unto the youth, nor do anything to him, for now I have known that thou art fearing God, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only one, from Me.'

(Young) John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

Word begotten is out.

It is unique know .

Which one is inspired ?

Are there any greek scholars here, whether believers or unbelievers that can tell me if "unique" can be used in place of "only begotten" as the muslims claim? Thanks.

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:18 qeon <2316> {GOD} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} ewraken <3708> (5758) {HAS SEEN} pwpote <4455> {AT ANY TIME;} o <3588> {THE} monogenhV <3439> {ONLY BEGOTTEN} uioV <5207> {SON,} o <3588> {WHO} wn <5607> (5752) {IS} eiV <1519> {IN} ton <3588> {THE} kolpon <2859> {BOSOM} tou <3588> {OF THE} patroV <3962> {FATHER,} ekeinoV <1565> {HE} exhghsato <1834> (5662) {DECLARED [HIM].}

3439. monogenes mon-og-en-ace' from 3441 and 1096; only-born, i.e. sole:--only (begotten, child).3441. monos mon'-os probably from 3306; remaining, i.e. sole or single; by implication, mere:--alone, only, by themselves.1096. ginomai ghin'-om-ahee a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

They said: 'Some say that thou art Elijah, others Jeremiah, and others one of the old prophets.'

Jesus answered: 'And ye; what say ye that I am?'

Peter answered: 'Thou art Christ, son of God.'

Then was Jesus angry, and with anger rebuked him, saying: 'Begone and depart from me, because thou art the devil and seekest to cause me offence!'

And he threatened the eleven, saying: 'Woe to you if ye believe this, for I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this.'

From the Gospel of BArnabas :70

LOL. I asked you about the greek word for begotten, not something out of the gospel of Barnabas and also those verses are out of Context ..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

bump for discussion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are there any greek scholars here, whether believers or unbelievers that can tell me if "unique" can be used in place of "only begotten" as the muslims claim? Thanks.

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:18 qeon <2316> {GOD} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} ewraken <3708> (5758) {HAS SEEN} pwpote <4455> {AT ANY TIME;} o <3588> {THE} monogenhV <3439> {ONLY BEGOTTEN} uioV <5207> {SON,} o <3588> {WHO} wn <5607> (5752) {IS} eiV <1519> {IN} ton <3588> {THE} kolpon <2859> {BOSOM} tou <3588> {OF THE} patroV <3962> {FATHER,} ekeinoV <1565> {HE} exhghsato <1834> (5662) {DECLARED [HIM].}

3439. monogenes mon-og-en-ace' from 3441 and 1096; only-born, i.e. sole:--only (begotten, child).3441. monos mon'-os probably from 3306; remaining, i.e. sole or single; by implication, mere:--alone, only, by themselves.1096. ginomai ghin'-om-ahee a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The muslims claim God can not "beget" so Jesus was "unique". Are there any here of other faiths that can explain what is meant by the "only begotten Son of God"? Thanks.
(Young) John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) John 1:18 qeon <2316> {GOD} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} ewraken <3708> (5758) {HAS SEEN} pwpote <4455> {AT ANY TIME;} o <3588> {THE} monogenhV <3439> {ONLY BEGOTTEN} uioV <5207> {SON,} o <3588> {WHO} wn <5607> (5752) {IS} eiV <1519> {IN} ton <3588> {THE} kolpon <2859> {BOSOM} tou <3588> {OF THE} patroV <3962> {FATHER,} ekeinoV <1565> {HE} exhghsato <1834> (5662) {DECLARED [HIM].}

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Only to the muslims.

(NKJV) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him.]

(NASB) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(KJV) John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

(RSV) John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

(Rotherham) John 1:18 No one, hath seen, God, at any time: An Only Begotten God, The One existing within the bosom of the Father, He, hath interpreted [him].

(Young) John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

(MKJV (Green)) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.


"It cannot be too strongly asserted that in substance the text of the Bible is certain. Especially is this the case with the New Testament. The number of manuscripts of the New Testament, of early translations from it, and of quotations from it in the oldest writers of the Church, is so large that it is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved in some one or other of these ancient authorities. This can be said of no other ancient book in the world. Scholars are satisfied that they possess substantially the true text of the principal Greek and Roman writers whose works have come down to us, of Sophocles, of Thucydides, of Cicero, of Virgil; yet our knowledge of their writings depends on a mere handful of manuscripts, whereas the manuscripts of the New Testament are counted by hundreds, and even thousands&#8230;The Christian can take the whole Bible in his hand and say without fear or hesitation that he holds in it the true Word of God, handed down without essential loss from generation to generation throughout the centuries."--Sir Frederic Kenyon, "Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts" (London: Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1958), 55.

The last time I read it is the RSv that claims Jesus was the Only(unique) son of GOD.Muslims don't beleive GOD had a son at all so i think the OP is wrong in stating that Muslims claim Jesus was unique rather than begotten.
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The last time I read it is the RSv that claims Jesus was the Only(unique) son of GOD.Muslims don't beleive GOD had a son at all so i think the OP is wrong in stating that Muslims claim Jesus was unique rather than begotten.
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

That is what you get for only reading "one version" and translation. The NT has to fulfille the OT.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith, Abraham, when tested, offered up Isaac, and, the only-begotten, would he have offered up, who the promises had accepted,--

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

As I have noticed while comparing translations of different verses in the Bible, even the most literal translations can suddenly depart from literalism, perhaps visit the Greek Septuagint and abandon the Hebrew translation for a single verse, whenever some highly cherished doctrine might be threatened by a truly literal translation. Rule of thumb : you should never, ever rely exclusively on one single translation.)

 

[yaqovzadeek]

The muslims claim God can not "beget" so Jesus was "unique". Are there any here of other faiths that can explain what is meant by the "only begotten Son of God"? Thanks.
(Young) John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.

hang on a minute what about this:
Ps 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Who is this refering to, the last time I checked it was David, has there been any changes since, no one informed me that the begotten son has changed,Damn!next time at least send me an email or a text message all this time i been thinking David was the only begotten.Damn, they changed it without letting me know.

peace
yaqovzadeek
aka James the just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

That is what you get for only reading "one version" and translation. The NT has to fulfille the OT.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith, Abraham, when tested, offered up Isaac, and, the only-begotten, would he have offered up, who the promises had accepted,--

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

As I have noticed while comparing translations of different verses in the Bible, even the most literal translations can suddenly depart from literalism, perhaps visit the Greek Septuagint and abandon the Hebrew translation for a single verse, whenever some highly cherished doctrine might be threatened by a truly literal translation. Rule of thumb : you should never, ever rely exclusively on one single translation.)

I guess this discounts my red letter KJV then.
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Yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just