Mulitple spouses

[Lockguy3000]

I am starting this thread to talk about having multiple spouses, from the Keith Oberman marriage thread.

The talk began with the debate on gay marriage, and proposition eight,
though the topic turned to multiple spouses.

I have noticed some people who are for gay marriage but are against multiple spouses.

I am for both, as long as it doesn't involve a minor nor forced marriage.

 

[katautumn]

I am for both, as long as it doesn't involve a minor nor forced marriage.

I'm of the same opinion. So long as minors or the welfare system are not being abused I don't give a rat's booty what consenting adults do.

 

[truthshift]

I am starting this thread to talk about having multiple spouses, from the Keith Oberman marriage thread.

The talk began with the debate on gay marriage, and proposition eight,
though the topic turned to multiple spouses.

I have noticed some people who are for gay marriage but are against multiple spouses.

I am for both, as long as it doesn't involve a minor nor forced marriage.

It seems rational, I suppose, to support both. Yes, all parties must be consenting though.

You must consider the context of these things. Where you have a group of people indoctrinated to believe that it is practically a necessity to marry multiple spouses or be wed to a person with multiple spouses for a fear of consequences, then it is wrong. In a way, that is non-consensual.

 

[cantata]

I'm tentatively for multiple marriages, but I would like to be sure of how it can be sorted out legally.

There are a lot of permutations of multiple marriages. Can I marry Alice and Alice marry Brian and Brian marry Colin, without me being married to Colin, for example? Can Alice marry Brian, Colin, Deirdre, and Ellen, and Dierdre and Brian also be married, but not Brian and Colin or Brian and Deirdre? What will be the legal consequences of these unions?

 

[QuakerOats]

I have no problem with consensual polygamy between adults, so long as the legalities (tax returns, inheritance, social security, etc.) can be worked out appropriately, and fairly.

Edit to add: That's a good question, cantata. Very confusing. lol

 

[FlamingFemme]

I'm tentatively for multiple marriages, but I would like to be sure of how it can be sorted out legally.

There are a lot of permutations of multiple marriages. Can I marry Alice and Alice marry Brian and Brian marry Colin, without me being married to Colin, for example? Can Alice marry Brian, Colin, Deirdre, and Ellen, and Dierdre and Brian also be married, but not Brian and Colin or Brian and Deirdre? What will be the legal consequences of these unions?

All very valid questions.
I don't really have a problem with poly/group/etc. - type marriages in theory, however in practice there seems to be more than a little room for abuse and even neglect of some of the parties involved. Because of that, and the questions raised above, it makes it hard for me to endorse making it legally recognized. And, a close friend of mine who just happens to be poly, agrees with me. She's fine with having her primary relationship be legal, and her secondary one(s) not.

 

[sidnee]

I am for both, as long as it doesn't involve a minor nor forced marriage.

I agree with that. Although I have no clue why people want to share

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I am starting this thread to talk about having multiple spouses, from the Keith Oberman marriage thread.

Why'd you have to go and ruin a good thread with referencing that looo, er, that guy?

The talk began with the debate on gay marriage, and proposition eight,

though the topic turned to multiple spouses.

I have noticed some people who are for gay marriage but are against multiple spouses.

I am for both, as long as it doesn't involve a minor nor forced marriage.

 

[Verv]

In a sense this is very unfair to children and I do oppose it on a moral basis but I am not the sort of person to legislate on such an issue.

I leave that up to the dirty politiciains pushing their schemes.

It seems rational, I suppose, to support both. Yes, all parties must be consenting though.

You must consider the context of these things. Where you have a group of people indoctrinated to believe that it is practically a necessity to marry multiple spouses or be wed to a person with multiple spouses for a fear of consequences, then it is wrong. In a way, that is non-consensual.

I disagree with this because it undermines the power of choice that all humans are given.

I could say that a lot of people have been indoctrinated that I disagree with in an attempt to simply make them sound discredited.

 

[truthshift]

I disagree with this because it undermines the power of choice that all humans are given.

Explain in detail please. I made mention that it would have to be consensual for all parties involved, how does this undermine the decisive power that a human has?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I'm tentatively for multiple marriages, but I would like to be sure of how it can be sorted out legally.

There are a lot of permutations of multiple marriages. Can I marry Alice and Alice marry Brian and Brian marry Colin, without me being married to Colin, for example? Can Alice marry Brian, Colin, Deirdre, and Ellen, and Dierdre and Brian also be married, but not Brian and Colin or Brian and Deirdre? What will be the legal consequences of these unions?

So much for progressive meaning improvment. I can't wait for the child custody "battles."

 

[revanneosl]

Hey - nobody said liberty & justice for all was easy or simple. The child custody battles (to use your example) got infinitely more complicated back when women first got 'em some rights. We figured it out eventually though - more or less. Well okay, less. But we're workin' on it.

 

[Beanieboy]

As I understand it from a Mormon or Muslim POV, one doesn't date (justified cheating) while they are married, but rather, chooses whom he is going to marry, and nothing happens physically until they are married.

However, this is only allowed of the men, and not the women.

I remember watching a doc where many men (usually brothers) would marry one woman in poorer countries, like India. This way, the men could work together to support the family.

How they all share or even fall in love with one woman is beyond me, but logically, it makes sense.

In the US, one problem that is happening, because of immigration, is men from Somalia, for example, coming to the states with their children and up tp 4 wives, but only the first is recognized, and sometimes only the one wife is covered under insurance. However, regardless of what the country says, they all see themselves as married.

We have to look at those kind of issues.

I doubt if any American woman would allow her husband to marry another, though.
It's a very different culture.

 

[GeorgeWW]

I think I am with the apostle Paul on this one.
Paul told Timothy that anyone who wanted to be a leader in the church "must be the husband of but one wife" (1 Timothy 3:2) He told Titus the same thing (Titus 1:6)

 

[truthshift]

I think I am with the apostle Paul on this one.
Paul told Timothy that anyone who wanted to be a leader in the church "must be the husband of but one wife" (1 Timothy 3:2) He told Titus the same thing (Titus 1:6)

Why'd he tell them that?

 

[gwenmead]

I'm tentatively for multiple marriages, but I would like to be sure of how it can be sorted out legally.

Yeah. What Cantata said.

The legal bits are the tricky part. But I don't oppose it in principle.