Islam Muhammads Isra

Barney2.0 · Nov 8, 2019

dzheremi said:
Okay, but we don't have faith in Muhammad or Islam, soooo...

The thread can be summarized as: Muslims believe that Muhammad was taken on a miraculous spiritual and perhaps physical (depending on who you ask) journey to places that didn't exist yet, and because they didn't exist yet it proves that the words used to talk about those places didn't mean the things that they mean in every other instance.

That's your god's miracle? Changing the meaning of words for the sake of Muhammad's story? Showing Muhammad doors that didn't really exist, but are some kind of 'miracle', not-physical doors for him to count?

Wow...what a god and religion...

Mohammed himself believed he literally went there, not that he had a dream of going there. After all didn’t he tell the Quraish that I have visited Jerusalem in one night and come back, which obviously was met with a hilarious reaction of laughter by the Quraish. So that interpretation goes out the window when you consider Mohammed’s own words. Infact the only reason you’d want to say Mohammed’s visit to Jerusalem and the Al Aqsa mosque was in a dream and did not literally happen is to attempt rationalize an obvious historical error and plot hole in the Quran.

mindlight · Nov 9, 2019

Islam_mulia said:
That's the Majesty, the grandness of the Night Journey (al-israk). It goes beyond the narrow confines of breaking physical barriers and transcends into the divine spectrum. Muhammad (pbuh) was given the opportunity to see beyond the normal physical constraints.
The Prophet travelled from Masjid al-haram (the building not constructed at that time) to Masjidil aqsa (the mosque not built at that time). What he saw (the mosque in another dimension, possibly) and experienced, were rejected by some Muslims at that time. Only those with faith stick to Muhammad (pbuh) and God.

But that is not how it was interpreted by the early Muslims. Umar was shocked to find the Temple Mount a rubbish dump when the Muslims took Jerusalem. His expectation was clearly different from your interpretation now that it is clearly shown Muhammed could not have been referring to an actual journey to an actual place.

Islam_mulia · Nov 11, 2019

mindlight said:
But that is not how it was interpreted by the early Muslims. Umar was shocked to find the Temple Mount a rubbish dump when the Muslims took Jerusalem. His expectation was clearly different from your interpretation now that it is clearly shown Muhammed could not have been referring to an actual journey to an actual place.

What do you think was the expectation of Umar (ra)?

Barney2.0 · Nov 14, 2019

Islam_mulia said:
What do you think was the expectation of Umar (ra)?

I think he’d have prayed in the mosque his false prophet prayed in had it existed at his time.

Islam_mulia · Nov 17, 2019

Umar (ra) had never anticipate to see a mosque in Baitul Maqdis. He believed Muhammad (pbuh) arrived in Jerusalem and he went to a site where he thought Buraq would have dismounted the Prophet.
He was surprised to find the place to be full of debris. He eventually clear the mess and built a mosque at the site. Nowhere was it written that Umar was disappointed not to find a mosque on his arrival. Funny how you try to change history.

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