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Well you have a point. The summer 2016 Trump campaign was a blundering disaster. I admit they Forrest Gumped their way to the nomination. Then Hillary did all she could to lose it from there.What...? Donald has only “the best people”, don’t you know...?
Papadopoulus seems to embody that adage that ‘it’s just as well that most crooks are dumb’....
It tells me one other fact. The one I brought up during the GOP primaries last year. The Trump campaign going into the convention was a neophyte hodgepodge of wannabes who really thought their chances of winning were slim to none.
I opined how team Trump was months behind team Clinton on get out the vote and presidential elections handlers. She had Obama's model and in no way was a Trump campaign going to get the folks needed to compete. That was my mild rant after Trump destroyed the GOP field. Which of course I have egg on my face since Team Trump Forest Gumped their way to victory with a lot of help from Team Hillary in the last 3 months.
So these recent indictments tell me I was partially correct in that no one was properly vetting the team members of the Trump campaign. That's the real story here and the real concern we should all have.
It is not illegal for the clinton campaign to hire fusion for research on the opposition, just as it isnt illegal for trumps people to communicate or meet with russians.
What is illegal, is to conspire with another party, to actually do something illegal.
Scope pertains to what is relevant to the investigation.
Whats not to realize, Manfort hasnt been straight about any of this.The powers of the office allow the special counsel to bring charges forward if a crime was discovered while operating within the scope. Many fail to realize such.
Within the scope of the investigation no charges have been brought forward in the 2016 election collusion claims. None. Yet.
We don't really know what the actual evidence is yet but a no knock warrent means a judge was convinced the FBI needed the shock and awe.Now apply the above to a home no knock raid on a US citizen with no prior convictions who already handed over hundreds of documents pertaining to his time in the Trump campaign. Meaning nothing was found or released on Manafort regarding his tenure with Trump. Yet a raid on a private residence turned up unrelated documents which led to an indictment.
An investigation into a savings and loan scam results in an impeachment over personal indiscretions that were completely unrelated. Your not comparing apples to applesWhen Ken Star did this nonsense in the 90s the liberals were all up in arms about the 4th amendment and fishing expeditions. Why now the silence?
*To collude does not necessarily mean something unlawful, two scientist can collude to discover something. The term collusion has by use the connotation of something deceitful and perhaps illegal.
But to conspire means to organize with others in a secret agreement to do something illegal or cause harm to another. Sort of like Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz conspiring against Sanders and rigging the primary.
Mueller will have to prove conspiracy to bring collusion charges against Trump.
How could he know they were planning to subvert the election?
that shows they did not organize or pay for the hacking, ie no collusions to subvert the elections on Trump’s part.
that shows they did not organize or pay for the hacking, ie no collusions to subvert the elections on Trump’s part.
Alan Dershowitz who is a far left liberal but a darn good lawyer still says there is still nothing illegal here.
On July 22 wikileaks began publishing Pedesta’s Russian hacked emails however no one publicly knew who had done it.
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Mueller will have to prove conspiracy to bring collusion charges against Trump.
Scope pertains to what is relevant to the investigation.
The powers of the office allow the special counsel to bring charges forward if a crime was discovered while operating within the scope. Many fail to realize such.
Within the scope of the investigation no charges have been brought forward in the 2016 election collusion claims. None. Yet.
Now apply the above to a home no knock raid on a US citizen with no prior convictions who already handed over hundreds of documents pertaining to his time in the Trump campaign. Meaning nothing was found or released on Manafort regarding his tenure with Trump. Yet a raid on a private residence turned up unrelated documents which led to an indictment.
When Ken Star did this nonsense in the 90s the liberals were all up in arms about the 4th amendment and fishing expeditions. Why now the silence?
Yet in the history of special counsels they never convict or even indict on what they set out to do. They always find someone for something unrelated. This one no different.
It's not illegal to meet with foriegn national but you have to include that in the national security application.It is not illegal for the clinton campaign to hire fusion for research on the opposition, just as it isnt illegal for trumps people to communicate or meet with russians.
What is illegal, is to conspire with another party, to actually do something illegal.
I agree they didn't think they were going to win. However, I also believe they were willing to cheat or get help from anyone to do so. (Edit: the people around Trump at least. I don't think Trump really wanted to win.) We've been complaining of their vetting from day 1. Did you miss the threads about how the GOP wanted to bypass all the ethics screenings to get his people confirmed before any and all paperwork was done? Or Obama warning Trump not to hire Flynn and he did it anyway? The ethics office director resigned over how the administration was behaving.
Not one, not two but three felonious foriegn agents.
I couldn't help but notice that no one had an answer for this minor issue with the "nothing to see here" narrative.He didn't plead guilty to collusion. He pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. My thing is, if there is no wrong doing why is he and practically everyone else around Trump lying about the Russian contacts they've had?
I was wondering if that would come up and no they haven't. Last I heard he had a story to tell but he wanted immunity. In this political climate I'd say fat chance.And they haven't gotten to Flynn yet.
Or Page. Or Kushner. Or Trump Jr.
Or you know, we could turn back the tide against the bigotry and retake the country before Trump and Co. push it off a ledge....
Now it is becoming entertaining to see the defense of the administration.
It will be even more entertaining 30 years from now when the history books declare how an entity like Trump caused the downfall of America through demagoguery, bigotry and dog-whistle racism. If CF still exists, we will know them by handle; one may be able to perceive them in person. As far as the real word goes, the States must double down on bigotry and division or it will implode. I am assuming Westerners like to go out with a bang as opposed to a wimper?
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