Mt. 23:39 - Meaning?

[Achilles6129]

"39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”" Mt. 23:39 (NASB)

What is Christ referring to here? He's already had his triumphal entry, so he must be referring to something in the future. Does this have to do with his Second Coming?

 

[Dave-W]

"39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”" Mt. 23:39 (NASB)

What is Christ referring to here? He's already had his triumphal entry, so he must be referring to something in the future. Does this have to do with his Second Coming?

First off - that statement is a quote from Psalm 118 and is part of the Jewish wedding ceremony, both then and now. Then, it was used when the groom came to take his bride to complete the marriage (consummation) and no one knew exactly when that would happen. It could be in mid-day or 3 am. The bride is supposed to be watching for his approach and scream that phrase loud enough to either wake everyone up or call everyone in from the fields.

In Hebrew it is "Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai!"

He is talking about the Jews or Jewish leaders that were about to condemn Him to death. Since at the 2nd coming HE will step foot on the Mount of Olives near the Eastern Gate (Zech 14) And every eye will see His return, yes He is speaking of the second coming.

IOW, there needs to be a critical mass of identifiably Jewish believers in Messiah to welcome him back just as a bride welcomes her groom and alerts everyone to His coming. They may even need to be living IN JERUSALEM.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

He is indeed talking about the End of Time when Christ returns and takes charge.

Read the entire passage leading up to the statement. Jesus is talking with the Pharisees and regular folks about the end and so forth. Reading the entire passage is always enlightening.

 

[AJTruth]

Chapter 23 overview:
1-5 Christ denounces the scribes & pharisees

6-13 He speaks against their worldly ambitons & title seeking

13-36 He comdemns their hypocrisy, false doctrines, outward righteousness, inward corruption, sanctimonious professions

37-38 He laments over Jerusalem & its comming destruction

39 His departure is fortold & what it will take for Him to return

Israel must receive the King whom God choose. They rejected Christ the first trip & won't see His return. Until collectively as a NATION they receive, accept & say: "Baruch Ha Ba B'Shem Adonai".

 

[Achilles6129]

OK, so explain this passage:

"25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,“The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” 27 “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”" Rom. 11:25-27 (NASB)

Is Paul saying that biological Israelites will be saved without obeying God's commands? Because if so, wouldn't that contradict a great deal of theology?

 

[afishamongmany]

OK, so explain this passage:

"25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,“The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” 27 “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”" Rom. 11:25-27 (NASB)

Is Paul saying that biological Israelites will be saved without obeying God's commands? Because if so, wouldn't that contradict a great deal of theology?

Hello Achilles,
Seems to me what Paul is saying here is - few (relatively) Jews will be saved until those gentiles who will be saved have been. When the Messiah (Jesus Christ) returns to Jerusalem then will 'all' those who are Israel (as understood by Romans 9:6-8) be saved. Although, even at that time, maybe not every jewish person will accept Christ as The Messiah, there will be a great regenerating work of God among the jewish people.
I'm unclear as to what you mean by :-
"Is Paul saying that biological Israelites will be saved without obeying God's commands?"
Nobody, Jew or Gentile, is saved (as in justified) by 'obeying God's commands'.
Unless it's the command to repent and trust that you have in mind?
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[AJTruth]

OK, so explain this passage:

"25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,“The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” 27 “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”" Rom. 11:25-27 (NASB)

Is Paul saying that biological Israelites will be saved without obeying God's commands? Because if so, wouldn't that contradict a great deal of theology?

Hello Achilles6129,
My answer to your 1st question:

The meaning of Matthew 23:39. Was, Israel must receive the King whom God choose. They rejected Christ the first trip & won't see His return. Until collectively as a NATION they receive, accept & say: "Baruch Ha Ba B'Shem Adonai".

When this happens Israel will be losing a war. East Jerusalem will fall

Zachariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and """half of the city shall go forth into captivity""", and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

All will be, all but lost. Israel will have no chance of defeating the superior invading army. At this point in time:

Israel will collectively call upon and say Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord or in Hebrew "Baruch Ha Ba B'Shem Adonai".

The Lord Himself will smite & kill the over overwhelming superior invading army.

The remaining remnant will see this and weep and mourn over the one the rejected 2000 yrs ago

Zachariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Ok, For you 2nd question Romans 11:25-27.
We have a different writer, writing to different people and the text content is also different.

Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this """mystery""", lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; """that blindness""" in part is happened to Israel, """until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in""".

(Paul, is explaining a mystery (secret something not revealed in earlier scripture). The Jews of the time had rejected their Messiah. Because they rejected Him. God has partly blinded their understanding. Until God has called out the last Gentile to be saved.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

(Then He will return all His focus back onto the Nation of Israel)

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

(And yes, once they have openly & outwardly confessed the same one they rejected the old covenant with Israel of: If you do I will. Will be replaced with a new covenant

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

(The new covenant is: Not if you do, but, I WILL say's the Lord)

Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Achilles6129]

Hello Achilles,
Seems to me what Paul is saying here is - few (relatively) Jews will be saved until those gentiles who will be saved have been. When the Messiah (Jesus Christ) returns to Jerusalem then will 'all' those who are Israel (as understood by Romans 9:6-8) be saved. Although, even at that time, maybe not every jewish person will accept Christ as The Messiah, there will be a great regenerating work of God among the jewish people.
I'm unclear as to what you mean by :-
"Is Paul saying that biological Israelites will be saved without obeying God's commands?"
Nobody, Jew or Gentile, is saved (as in justified) by 'obeying God's commands'.
Unless it's the command to repent and trust that you have in mind?
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Interesting interpretation. That was where I was leaning as well, that the "Israelites" that Paul is talking about aren't biological, but actually spiritual. That may be the case.

And of course you can't be saved without obeying God's commands. That was basically my question, since Paul seems to be talking about universal salvation for Israel.

 

[Achilles6129]

AJ - are you saying that they are being saved for being biological Israelites?

 

[AJTruth]

Interesting interpretation. That was where I was leaning as well, that the "Israelites" that Paul is talking about aren't biological, but actually spiritual. That may be the case.

And of course you can't be saved without obeying God's commands. That was basically my question, since Paul seems to be talking about universal salvation for Israel.

I don't believe the scriptures are making a spiritual reference. My position would be, how did you put it? Biological

My post shows Israel won't have many people left. There is going to be another Temple built. Everything is already ready. Priests & Priestly garbs, David type harps, a red heifer, all the Temple furniture except the Ark & who knows maybe the've found it. Google the, The Temple Institute.

BTW, Israel was always judged as a Nation. The yearly Day of Atonment sacrifice when the Hight priest went behind the veil. Covered the sins of the whole Nation.

Now, They had Gods Son killed. Once the Temple is rebuilt. They're going to begin animal sacrifices again. What do you think God will think about that? After this coming war only a renant will be left. But, remember after they call on the Name of the Lord. He well kill all the invading armies. Forgive then and rule & reign for 1000 yrs. How many BILLIONS of Israelites will there be after 1000 of peace under Messiahs rule?

 

[afishamongmany]

And of course you can't be saved without obeying God's commands.

Sorry Achilles but I'm still not clear what you mean? What commands are you referring too?
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[afishamongmany]

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

(The new covenant is: Not if you do, but, I WILL say's the Lord)

Hello AJTruth,
The scenario you give of the Lord's return to earth fits the scriptures and I would give it a 'could be'. However I wouldn't commit to being as definite as you are on all aspects of that amazing moment in history. I think I'll stay a bit fuzzier until things are a bit ... er clearer.
Concerning 'the new covenant' promised in Jeremiah31, do you see this as some how distinct and separate from that of Luke 20:22?
Concerning spiritual/biological, surely salvation (as in 'the gospel of ...') is always an act of spiritual regeneration wrought by God by means of faith. Yes at that time it will be the biological offspring of Abraham that will be the focus of God's amazing grace but it will be a spiritual act. Will it be for every descendant of Abraham alive at that time??? Mmmm Romans 9:6,7

They rejected Christ the first trip & won't see His return.

Am I right in understanding that by, "They ... won't see His return." you mean His return in the clouds as in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17?
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[Achilles6129]

Sorry Achilles but I'm still not clear what you mean? What commands are you referring too?
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The commands in the New Testament.

 

[Achilles6129]

I don't believe the scriptures are making a spiritual reference. My position would be, how did you put it? Biological

My post shows Israel won't have many people left. There is going to be another Temple built. Everything is already ready. Priests & Priestly garbs, David type harps, a red heifer, all the Temple furniture except the Ark & who knows maybe the've found it. Google the, The Temple Institute.

BTW, Israel was always judged as a Nation. The yearly Day of Atonment sacrifice when the Hight priest went behind the veil. Covered the sins of the whole Nation.

Now, They had Gods Son killed. Once the Temple is rebuilt. They're going to begin animal sacrifices again. What do you think God will think about that? After this coming war only a renant will be left. But, remember after they call on the Name of the Lord. He well kill all the invading armies. Forgive then and rule & reign for 1000 yrs. How many BILLIONS of Israelites will there be after 1000 of peace under Messiahs rule?

OK, so you're saying that these biological Israelites in fact do obey God's commands? They're not saved solely because of their race, then? That was the main thrust of my question: is God saving some people solely because they're of a certain race?

 

[afishamongmany]

The commands in the New Testament.

ok Achilles I think I understand where you're at. But better leave it there and stay on topic eh.
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[afishamongmany]

OK, so you're saying that these biological Israelites in fact do obey God's commands? They're not saved solely because of their race, then? That was the main thrust of my question: is God saving some people solely because they're of a certain race?

In Ephesians chpt1 we are told that, "He saves according to the pleasure of His good will."
Are we able to know any more than that? Is there any need to know more than that?
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[Achilles6129]

In Ephesians chpt1 we are told that, "He saves according to the pleasure of His good will."
Are we able to know any more than that? Is there any need to know more than that?
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I understand. But the NT clearly says that only they that "do the will of my Father which is in heaven" shall enter the kingdom of heaven (Mt. 7:21). I just thought that there was a problem with God saving some people solely for the reason that they're of a certain race. Certainly, if those people obey his commands, it would make sense, but I just thought that there was a problem with saving people solely because of DNA.

 

[afishamongmany]

Good morning Achilles,
Our Father saves us ( Jew, Gentile, Greek, Barbarian) according to the pleasure of his good will. The Jews who are saved are saved because they believe and it is accounted to them as righteousness.

For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
John 6:40
Go well
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