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How is this related to nephilim?Are you aware of the technology that is in use today? What do you think of Artificial Intelligence (AI),Robotics, and transhumanism?
Sure it does, Jesus spoke of this as a reason why people sought to kill Him, because he was not one of them.The bible says that Giants were in the time of Noah and after that as well.
I believe that demons are the dead nephilim spirits (as said in 1 Enoch) that inhabit the earth, and that angels are not demons, that in fact, they are bound by everlasting chains until judgement.
Also, the bible does not support human animalistic intolerance or what ever that is.
To prevent my being redundant, please read post #'s 17 & 20.How is this related to nephilim?
NEPHILIM [Heb nĕpilı̂m (נְפִלִים)]. A group of antediluvians who were the product of the union of the sons of God (hāʾĕlōhı̂m) with the daughters of humans (hāʾādām) (Gen 6:1–4). They are described as heroic (hāggibbōrı̂m) and famous (ʾanšê hāššēm). In Genesis 6, the Nephilim are connected with the multiplication of humanity on the face of the earth (v 1) and with the evil of humanity which brings about God’s judgment in the form of the flood (vv 5–7). Verse 4 includes a reference to later (postdiluvian) Nephilim. The majority of the spies who were sent by Joshua to spy out Canaan reported giants whom they called Nephilim, and who are designated in the account as the sons of Anak (Num 13:33). The reference to Nephilim as ancient dead warriors in Ezek 32:27 requires a textual change from the MT’s nōpĕlı̂m (Zimmerli, Ezekiel Hermeneia, 168, 176; Hendel 1987a: 22).
Their heroic attributes were noted in translating Nephilim in the versions. Both the LXX and the Vulgate render the expression as gigantes. The Syriac has gnbrʾ. The Samaritan Pentateuch and Targums also follow this custom (Alexander 1972), using either gybryh (Samaritan), gybrym (Neofiti), or gbrʾ (Onkelos). Targum Pseudo-Jonathan translates Nephilim with the names of the fallen angels (šmḥzʾy wʿzʾl) mentioned in 1 Enoch as leading the rebellion. Nephilim are referred to as “giants” in the Apocrypha/Pseudepigrapha, usually with reference to their pride and wickedness, and to God’s judgment upon them (e.g., Bar 3:26–28). The fullest development appears in 1 Enoch 6–19, and this is followed by allusions in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Midrashim, and the NT (Dimant 1974; Hanson 1977).
2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 are the NT allusions to the Nephilim. Here they are identified as angels who rebelled and have been imprisoned by God. They lead a list of biblical examples of rebels and their punishments current in contemporary Jewish paraenisis (Bauckham, Jude, 2 Peter WBC, 46–47). Although elements of Greek Titan mythology have been identified here and in Gen 6:1–4 (Kraeling 1947, who separates the gibbōrı̂m from the Nephilim), the presence of a common source for the traditions of 1 Enoch and those of the Greek world is more likely (Bauckham, Jude, 2 Peter WBC, 50–53, 248–49). Speiser (Genesis AB, 46) identifies this source as Hurrian. Kilmer (1987) has sought to identify the Nephilim with the apkallu of Mesopotamian tradition.
The root npl, “to fall,” seems to be the basis of Nephilim, i.e., “the fallen ones.” This may refer to their fall from heaven, their “fall” into sin, or their fallen status as dead at the time when the events are recorded. The earliest use of the W Semitic npl supports the last option. It occurs in a military context, the 14th century B.C.E. letter of Lab’ayu of Shechem to the pharaoh (EA 252, lines 25–27), “Fall under them that they may smite you!” The sons of Anak, who are identified with the later Nephilim in Num 13:33, are also identified with the Rephaim in Deut 2:11 As the Rephaim are understood as ancient warriors slain by Israel and others, so the Nephilim, “the fallen ones,” are those who are doomed to die.
Source critics have ascribed Gen 6:1–4 to J, while recognizing it as uncharacteristic (WPGI, 329; Gunkel, Genesis BKAT, 52; Noth 1948: 29). Recent studies have ascribed the text to a Canaanite origin (Westermann, Genesis BKAT, 499–500) or to later editorial activity (Scharbert 1967: 66–78; Schreiner 1981: 65–74). Hendel (1987a; 1987b) argues that the improper mating of deities and humans was the original reason for the Genesis flood. However, later additions to this tradition changed the reason to the matter of a general evil in the imaginations of humanity.
As fathers of the Nephilim, the identity of the sons of God is important in understanding whether the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were semi-divine or completely human. The sons of God (hāʾĕlōhı̂m) have been understood as nonhumans (gods, angels), rulers, or descendants of Seth. The first interpretation is supported by the term’s use in Ugaritic myths, in the OT (Ps 29:1; Job 1:6), and in the intertestamental and NT material noted above. It allows for a real contrast with “daughters of men,” which would be nonspecific if it were to mean daughters of nonrulers or daughters of the descendants of Cain (Cassuto 1973; van Gemeren 1980–81; Wenham, Genesis 1–15 WBC, 139–40). Further, the mating of deities with women appears in ANE and Greek mythology (Bartelmus 1979: 36–78). Support of identification with rulers may be found in a similar designation given to the Ugaritic king Keret and to the Davidic king (2 Sam 7:14; Ps 2:7), and in traditional Jewish exegesis (Alexander 1972; Tsukimoto 1979: 19–21). The Sethite interpretation has few modern adherents (Junker 1935; for a reversal of this argument, in which the Sethites are the daughters of man, cf. Eslinger 1979).
For Wenham (Genesis 1–15 WBC, 141), the key seems to be the limitation of human life span in v 3 The daughters of men willingly cohabited with divine beings in order to produce offspring who would gain much longer life spans and perhaps achieve immortality. By rejecting this attempt, God has established a rigid distinction between the mortal and the immortal (Clines 1979: 33–37; Petersen 1979: 58–59; Schreiner 1981: 70–72). The mating of the sons of God with the daughters of men became but one example of the “cosmic imbalance” created in Genesis 1–6
Strange that when studying a subject dealing with distinctly Jewish writings---people use distinctly non-Jewish sources.
The amazing name Nephilim: meaning and etymology
Meaning
The Fallen Ones, The Extraordinary Ones
Etymology
From the verb נפל (napal), to fall, which appears to have to do with the verb פלל (palal), to distinguish, or פלה (pala), to be extraordinary.
Related names
• Via פלל (palal): Amraphel, Eliphal, Eliphelehu, Ephlal, Palal, Pallu, Pelaiah, Pelaliah, Peleth, Pelethites, Pelonite, Pul, Tiglath-pileser
Etymology and meaning of the name Nephilim
It is not clear where the name Nephilim comes from. There are a few possibilities, and scholars argue about the likelihood of each of them. First of all, the word nephilim is a plural and the single form, נפל (npl), does not occur in the Bible (which by itself is not at all unusual). In another context, however, the word נפל (nepel), which is spelled identical but pronounced slightly different, means untimely birth or abortion. It comes from the verb נפל (napal), to fall or be cast down:
PsJon Gen. 1-6
VI. And it was when the sons of men began to multiply upon the face of the earth, and fair daughters were born to them; and the sons of the great saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and painted, and curled, walking with revelation of the flesh, and with imaginations of wickedness; that they took them wives of all who pleased them. And the Lord said by His Word, All the generations of the wicked which are to arise shall not be purged after the order of the judgments of the generation of the deluge, which shall be destroyed and exterminated from the midst of the world. Have I not imparted My Holy Spirit to them, (or, placed My Holy Spirit in them,) that they may work good works? And, behold, their works are wicked. Behold, I will give them a prolongment of a hundred and twenty years, that they may work repentance, and not perish.
TgOnk Gen. 1-6
VI. And Noach was a son of five hundred years, and Noach begat Shem, Cham, and Japheth. And it was when the sons of men had begun to multiply upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of the mighty[32] saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and took to them wives of all whom they pleased.[33] And the Lord said, This evil generation shall not stand before me for ever, because they are flesh, and their works are evil. A term (or length) will I give them, an hundred and twenty years, if they may be converted. Giants were in the earth in those days; and also when, after that the sons of the mighty had gone in unto the daughters of men, there were born from them giants who from of old were men of name.
The quoted text comes from a reliable source called the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary, that is very well known and used, however I've never heard or seen of the publication you quoted from.. So I'm going to Lol that one.
It's you right to do so---just as it is mine to LOL at the idea of not taking into account what the Jew's thoughts are about this as the whole bible was given to the Jews, written by them and their way of thinking, culture and lifestyle has to be taken into account for the sake of accuracy---but then if truth is not the main thing, just prattling on about myths is preferred---then anybody's opinion can be used.
Friend you have a lot to learn.
I won't be continuing your argument. It has no substance. Moses wrote that angels came into the daughters of man and created the nephilim.
Context my friend. Context, context.
Exactly. Talk about needing to learn. Moses was a Jew. and He did not write that angels came into the daughters of man, he did not speak the Kings English. This is what he wrote.
2 and~they(m)~will~SEE(V) (וַיִּרְאוּ / wai'yir'u) SON~s (בְנֵי / vê'ney) the~Elohiym (הָאֱלֹהִים / ha'e'lo'him) AT (אֶת / et) DAUGHTER~s (בְּנוֹת / bê'not) the~HUMAN (הָאָדָם / ha'a'dam) GIVEN.THAT (כִּי / ki) FUNCTIONAL~s (טֹבֹת / to'vot) THEY(f) (הֵנָּה / heyn'nah) and~they(m)~will~TAKE(V) (וַיִּקְחוּ / wai'yiq'hhu) to~~them(m) (לָהֶם / la'hem) WOMAN~s (נָשִׁים / na'shim) from~ALL (מִכֹּל / mi'kol) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) they~did~CHOOSE(V) (בָּחָרוּ / ba'hha'ru)
RMT: and the sons of the Elohiym saw the daughters of the human, that they were functional, and took for them women from all which they chose,
Believe whatever y0u want. I just personally prefer accuracy.
I came to that realization and I read KJVBut if they would just study the Hebrew, they would see that what they have been taught is not the truth.Then they could understand how today's technological advances are leading humanity back to the same conditions that were present in the past during the days of Noah.
But he says he liked accuracy. lol
NEPHILIM [Heb nĕpilı̂m (נְפִלִים)]
In the last years there has been so much conspiracy theory theology around this. Now mind I do believe that figuratively we are in "the last days", and their is some creepy paranormal stuff around UFOs, and the New Age etc. but there is a limit... So much of that theology is like a weird Christian version of the Da Vinci Code and the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" that preceded it. It makes salvation more about "preserving a pure bloodline" rather than about basic Christian themes concerning sin, rebellion and corruption.
Yes, and this was the default belief in the time of Jesus and afterward. Multiple church fathers wrote of this, including Justin Martyr. Even the Jewish historian Josephus included it in his "Antiquities of the Jews".In this context this is incorrect. Many older theologians believed this also, however this is not true. In its context with daughters of men. In the book of job sons of God is used in the context here. In Peter, and jude we see the same context. These are not rulers or mighty men. They are giants and hybrid human/angelic beings. Hence why God destroyed the earth. Demons are the spirits of the dead giants, not fallen angels the angels are bound in everlasting chains until judgment. Hence why we are to judge the angels. They left their domains. Context context context.
If you're not aware of Dr. Michael Heiser, he did actually write his dissertation on the Divine Council. The events in Genesis 6 are part of it since those Sons of God were members of the council.A lot has to do with seeing to believe, they can't see it so how could it be true.I'm so interested in this topic that I want to base my whole biblical.syudy around it.
I understand neither the "anchor" nor the "Yale" parts of this thread's title...
If you're not aware of Dr. Michael Heiser, he did actually write his dissertation on the Divine Council. The events in Genesis 6 are part of it since those Sons of God were members of the council.
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