{MOVED} Hebrews 6 is there hope?

ClementofA said:

It's spiritual warfare.

Eph.6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

James 4:6 But He gives us more grace. This is why it says: “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you.

Mt.26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Rom.5:20b but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

Phil.4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Phil.4:4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.

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Neostarwcc said:

While nobody 100% knows what the writer of hebrews was talking about in that particular verse pv Hebrews 6 there's one fact that remains.

It cannot be the common interpretation spreading in our Churches today. Why? Because In two verses of his letter the writer of Hebrews says that Christs sacrifice was a once for all time sacrifice. In other words, the sacrifice of Christ lasts forever. How can the sacrifice of Christ last for all time and we be saved for all time if its possible at that same time to lose our salvation through unbelief?

Not to mention this is the ONLY place in scripture where it even apparently says that you can lose your salvation from unbelief (even Christ didnt claim a loss of salvation in Matthew 7:21-23 & Christs parable in Matthew 25 (forget exactly where) he was talking about true faith there and what happens to those who pretend to have faith. Because as Christ said throughout his ministry that a truly saved person will ALWAYS have works. He also made MANY statements about the eternal salvation of his sheep. As did every apostle. Not to mention if he DID mean you could lose your salvation based on unbelief there would be ccx a contradiction in scripture because preserverence of the saints is taught ALL throughout scripture even in the old testament.

A possible reason the writer of Hebrews wrote that in Hebrews 6 could be to explain what would happen if it WERE possible for us to lose the Holy Spirit and therefore be able to not believe anymore. But the loss of the Holy Spirit is impossible. Scripture says it again and again. The only person that EVER lost the Holy Spirit was King Saul. He lost it because he grieved the Holy Spirit from his actions and God TOLD the Holy Spirit to leave him. If God told the Holy Spirit to leave us now, hed be a liar in the many places if his word.


So be at peace the only way to lose your salvation is to lose the Holy Spirit. And scripture says time and time again that that's impossible. If you abandoned the faith its because you never had the Holy Spirit to begin with.

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Oldmantook said:

Heb 6:4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen c away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Be not dismayed Malik. Based on what you have written about yourself, this passage does not apply to you. Note the present tense verbs in this passage of scripture. The reason that they cannot be brought back to repentance is that they are still crucifying and subjecting Jesus to public disgrace. They are not repentant but continue in these present tense actions of "crucifying" and "shaming" Jesus. Thus it is not possible for God to forgive them as long as they are unrepentant. Given your history and present situation/attitude, you are repentant - unlike those in Heb 6. Just ask God to forgive you for your past and start walking in a lifestyle of obedience to His commands.

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Maria Billingsley said:

Welcome! Other than grieve the Holy Spirit you also "quenched" Him. Repent and get back on the narrow road that leads to the narrow gate where Jesus Christ of Nazareth awaits for you. Your post indicates you are finally allowing the Holy Spirit to work in you. Be patience and above all TRUST that He is doing a good work in you.
Be blessed and stay healthy!

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setst777 said:

Mr. Malik,

Greetings Brother.

There is sin that leads to death, and that is to die being a slave to deliberate unrepentant sin - which is to disown Christ and to insult the Spirit of Grace.

As I understand it, you are not dead yet, and although you have strayed, as we all have at some point more than once, you have humbly come back to the Shepherd of your soul.

Sin that Leads to Death

There is a big difference between sins which lead to death to that of a faithful person who otherwise commits a sin in weakness, or has fallen for a time. The sins that lead to death are those sins we refuse to turn from that then become vices that we allow to master us – to have dominion over God’s Holy Spirit that indwells us by faith.

• If you were to die in this kind sin you would be lost.
• If God has hardened your heart, you would not be able to turn to Him again and ask His forgiveness.

James 1:12-16 (WEB)
12 Blessed is a person who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. 15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin. The sin, when it is full grown, produces death. 16 Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers.

Sin which God forgives are sins we committed in weakness, and may have been deliberate, but that we are were very sorry for and humbly turn away from and ask God to forgive, and then re-commit our lives to God in holiness.

Hebrews 3:12-13 (NIV) 12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.

As I understand Hebrews 3:12-13 and James 1:12-15, a Christian who allows himself to live in any sin, and not turning away from it, has turned away from the living God. They are making a conscious choice to deny Christ Jesus as their Lord so they may follow their new Lord – the sinful vice which they now faithfully serve. Therefore, they are resisting and grieving God’s Spirit who lives in them and, in essence, they disown Christ as Lord over their lives so they can serve that sin-vice. This is spiritual death.

Such a person living in any sin will refuse to believe that they have disowned Jesus as Lord, claiming they still believe Jesus is Lord and they are still bearing some good fruits to "prove" they are saved. However such person has actually disowned Christ. Such person is allowing sin to have dominion over Christ’s Spirit living in them, grieving God’s Holy Spirit. We can only have one master. See again James 1:12-16

Again, as I understand it, you did turn away and allowed sin to again become your master. Therefore, you have disowned Christ. Even so, how many examples and parables of Biblical saints exist that have disowned Christ, or that have turned away from Him, but have again been found, have again become alive again? There are many examples and parables.

Committing a sin that we turn from and then continue steadfastly in our walk with God is not the same thing as deliberately living in unrepentant sin until the day you die.

Unrepentant sin is deliberate disobedience; and so, unrepentant sin is to disown Lord Jesus as the one Master of our life to follow another master – our sin vice. Therefore, we are resisting and grieving His Spirit who lives in us if we do this. In essence, those who live in any unrepentant sin have lost their Gospel Faith; they are no longer in The Faith. “Hebrews 3:12-13 and James 1:12-16” makes this clear to me and is in line with what Jesus and the other Apostles taught just as we have seen by the quoted Scriptures you and others have provided.

2 Timothy 2:10-16 (WEB)
10 Therefore I endure all things for the chosen ones’ sake, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 This saying is trustworthy:

“For if we died with him, we will also live with him.
12 If we endure, we will also reign with him.
If we deny him, he also will deny us.
13 If we are faithless, he remains faithful; for he can’t deny himself.”

14 Remind them of these things, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they don’t argue about words, to no profit, to the subverting of those who hear.

Some Christians teach that a Christian has the Divine Nature – the Holy Spirit – and so, no true Christian can sin; rather, a true Christian is perfect and sinless just like Jesus was.

We must keep in mind the reality that partaking of the Divine Nature of God does not guarantee our faith, or that we will remain free of sin for the rest of our lives. Rather, our faithfulness in following Christ, living by His Spirit, guarantees God's power onto salvation and protection by His Spirit. The Spirit only leads us as we faithfully walk by the Spirit we received by faith...

Romans 1:16-17 (WEB)
16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek. 17 For in it is revealed God’s righteousness from faith to faith. As it is written, “But the righteous shall live by faith.”Habakkuk 2:4

1 Peter 1:5 (KJV)
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 8:12-13 (NIV)
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

We see many warnings to the Church within the NT to repent and to remain faithful by the Apostle’s Paul, Peter, James and Jude, and by Lord Jesus in the Gospels and to the Churches in Revelations 2 and 3. Although no true Christian should sin, nor do they live in sin, this does not mean we will never sin in weakness, or that we may not succumb to sin in weakness sometime in our lives. There are many Biblical examples of this. But if we repent and continue in The Faith, God does forgive us.

The Bible is filled with examples of faithful people who fell into sin but repented, and God forgave them. King David is perhaps the most glaring example, since God forgave him of coveting, adultery, and murder, even after David experienced God's grace, power, love, and anointing.

Lord Jesus’ parables of the Lost Son (Luke 5:11-32), the Lost Sheep (Matthew 18:10-14), the Lost Coin (Luke 15:8-10), Confronting Sin in the Church (Matthew 18:15-18), the Unmerciful Servant (Mattew 18:21-35) and “The Lord’s Prayer” (Matthew 6:9-13) are other examples of God’s mercy for those who have strayed. Lord Jesus taught us to forgive others’ sins against us so that God may also forgive our sins.

God promises to save the Humble

I think the most important lesson you have learned from straying from God, is the lesson of humility. And God sent Jesus to save the Humble - to preach the Gospel to the humble, the crushed in Spirit, those heavy laden with sin and it shame (Luke 4:18-19; Isaiah 61:1-2; Matthew 11:4-5; Matthew 11:28).

As I see it, if indeed you have learned from this grievous lesson, which you have, then you are more lovely to God now than when you first believed, and more a beloved son than one who had never fell from grace. And you are more able to show the kind of love and forgiveness that God also desires to lavish on us.

Luke 15:11-32
11 He said, “A certain man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of your property.’ So he divided his livelihood between them.
13 Not many days after, the younger son gathered all of this together and traveled into a far country. There he wasted his property with riotous living. 14 When he had spent all of it, there arose a severe famine in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 He went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16 He wanted to fill his belly with the husks that the pigs ate, but no one gave him any.
17 But when he came to himself he said, ‘How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough to spare, and I’m dying with hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and will tell him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. 19 I am no more worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants.”’
20 “He arose, and came to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. 21 The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe, and put it on him. Put a ring on his hand, and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let’s eat, and celebrate; 24 for this, my son, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’ Then they began to celebrate.
25 “Now his elder son was in the field. As he came near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 He called one of the servants to him, and asked what was going on. 27 He said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and healthy.’ 28 But he was angry, and would not go in. Therefore his father came out, and begged him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Behold, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed a commandment of yours, but you never gave me a goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this your son came, who has devoured your living with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.’
31 “He said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’”

Blessing Brother.
Steven

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