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<blockquote data-quote="Treeplanter" data-source="post: 76026118" data-attributes="member: 435296"><p>To the contrary, I have told you EXACTLY what qualifies as immorality!</p><p></p><p>To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm IS immoral</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then you are not understanding what I am saying</p><p></p><p>My moral standard, once again, is this:</p><p></p><p>To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm is immoral</p><p>Anything and everything else goes - as it is either moral or morally neutral</p><p></p><p>As an aside:</p><p></p><p>To be selfless {i.e. loving} is moral, but it is entirely up to the individual to decide if that is what he/she wants to do/be - no skin off my nose whatever their decision is</p><p></p><p>The OP is about the labelling of individual beings, who's actions are selfless/loving, as morally good even when their reasons/motivations for engaging in selfless/loving acts are not, in and of themselves, selfless and loving</p><p></p><p>To qualify as a moral person, as far as I am concerned, requires not only that one act selflessly and lovingly, but also that their reasons for doing so are selfless and loving</p><p></p><p>This does not mean, though, that I insist upon a standard of selflessness!</p><p>It is perfectly fine to NOT be selfless</p><p>I, myself, in most circumstances am NOT selfless</p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely not true!</p><p></p><p>Self sacrifice is NOT necessarily the giving up of something I value {myself} for something of a lesser value - much less a non-value</p><p></p><p>I value certain people more than I do my own self and would willingly lay down my life for these people if need be</p><p></p><p> </p><p>That's just not true</p><p></p><p>While there are a few that I would happily make sacrifices for - there are billions more that I would not</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Treeplanter, post: 76026118, member: 435296"] To the contrary, I have told you EXACTLY what qualifies as immorality! To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm IS immoral Then you are not understanding what I am saying My moral standard, once again, is this: To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm is immoral Anything and everything else goes - as it is either moral or morally neutral As an aside: To be selfless {i.e. loving} is moral, but it is entirely up to the individual to decide if that is what he/she wants to do/be - no skin off my nose whatever their decision is The OP is about the labelling of individual beings, who's actions are selfless/loving, as morally good even when their reasons/motivations for engaging in selfless/loving acts are not, in and of themselves, selfless and loving To qualify as a moral person, as far as I am concerned, requires not only that one act selflessly and lovingly, but also that their reasons for doing so are selfless and loving This does not mean, though, that I insist upon a standard of selflessness! It is perfectly fine to NOT be selfless I, myself, in most circumstances am NOT selfless Absolutely not true! Self sacrifice is NOT necessarily the giving up of something I value {myself} for something of a lesser value - much less a non-value I value certain people more than I do my own self and would willingly lay down my life for these people if need be That's just not true While there are a few that I would happily make sacrifices for - there are billions more that I would not [/QUOTE]
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