Moses and Jesus Connection?

[Clann Donald]

Greetings all... to my faithful teachers and all those who just read the action in passing...

Well, I have another question for all Messianics willing to teach this poor questioning soul... Below is a statement I wrote up for everyone NOT to debate (note moderators, I will in no way debate this topic), but I wrote it because I honestly want to learn how Messianics would answer the statement's question. Perhaps in doing so Messianics everywhere will learn more about what is to be believed and why...? So take a deep breath, here we go...

Let me ask a question I have been pondering... God told Moses that He would make him the sole beneficiary if Israel's Covenant and make the remnant from his line to be the Nation of the Promise. Moses prays and this does not go down, but imagine a later prophet "like Moses" DID have this happen to Him. Namely, Jesus Christ. Imagine Jesus Christ as the sole faithful son of Abraham and the sole heir to the Covenant of Sinai, just as nearly happened to Moses. Then imagine Jesus taking on every mantle of Israel (King, Priest and Prophet) and being the Light for the Nations just as Israel is called to be, but also restoring and Renewing the Adamic Covenant of Perfection as the mediator of a New Covenant thus fulfilling Israel's call to bear the blessing for the Nations. God would still be “playing by the rules” of the Sinai Covenant to pass every mantle of Israel away from their formers holders and onto Jesus, precisely because God had done this before – when the Covenant was broken before He passed the mantle of priesthood from the first born sons of Israel to the Levites because of the Levites’ fidelity to the Covenant. Jesus’ fidelity to the Covenant could have resulted in the mantle of Israelite priesthood again being passed from the Levites to Him, just as before it had been passed from the first born sons to the Levites. Jesus, according to the flesh, could receive the Davidic Kingship, and anyone can receive the mantle of prophecy – so there you have it, Jesus could be King, Priest and Prophet… AND the sole heir of the Sinai Covenant just as Moses almost was centuries before. Having filled up in Himself every aspect of the Sinai Covenant, as the sole faithful Israelite remnant, the Covenant of Sinai is perfectly lived out in and through Him who is in Himself the constituency of the Nation of Israel... and thus Israel as a Nation IS LIVING in this Holy beyond Holy Israelite who is actually the sole remnant of Israel living on earth and the bearer of all her sacred mantles. He alone was the Israelite remnant - the one son of Adam, son of Abraham - to be faithful to the Sinai Covenant and achieve its objective of being a blessing to all the Nations, and since He went to Heaven without having kids there is no "seed" left to be the faithful remnant of Israel on earth – in Him the entire constituency of the Nation of Israel, the remnant heir to the Sinai Covenant, was taken into Heaven still drawing breath! In other words, "It is finished," and everything about that Sinai Covenant was achieved in Jesus who lived in perfect obedience to the Law of Moses and is now in Heaven. The beauty of this vision is that He did not in any way need to "abolish" that Covenant here on earth because He was its sole recipient (like God almost did with Moses), and the Sinai Covenant was therefore taken back into Heaven in His person. But, hypothetically imagining what would have happened if God did this with Moses, the difference between Moses and Jesus is that Moses had kids so they would have received the Covenant here on earth and would have continued in it here on earth – but since Jesus had no kids to pass the Covenant onto here on earth and He took the Covenant with Himself into Heaven – it no longer has any continued beneficiaries on earth but only in Heaven. However, Jesus left on earth a New Covenant that is the restoration, renewal and perfection of the Adamic Covenant and the rest is history. God promised Abraham that in his seed all Nations would be blessed, and Jesus said that unless we eat His flesh and drink His blood we could have no part in Him – Jesus as the Nation of Israel "remnanted" (so to speak) into One Man fits the bill perfectly for achieving the stated goal of God’s promise to Abraham. This seems to be a theological explanation of why the Old Covenant was not "abolished" but passed to Jesus alone who was in Himself the "remnant of Israel" who then took that Covenant into Heaven in Himself leaving behind no "seed after the flesh to continue a line of Israelites in the Sinai Covenant on earth, but instead established a New Covenant in the Church that He left behind on earth – a Covenant that was the restoration, renewal and perfection of the Covenant that God had with Adam from the start of Creation in sinless perfection. Many "Messianics" understand Jesus to have restored, renewed and perfected the Sinai Covenant – but by understanding that the PURPOSE of the Sinai Covenant was the restoration, renewal and perfection of the Adam Covenant, we have a beautifully sublime exaltation of the Sinai Covenant by its achieving of the "renewal" of the Adamic Covenant of perfect sinlessness. This is why Hebrews tells us that the New Covenant has "better promises" because the Sinai Covenant had to make perennial provision for sin, while the New Covenant destroys sin itself (rather than make provision for it). Surely it is wondrous and full of grace provision to forgive sin, but if Sinai's provision to forgive is full of grace how much greater is the New Covenant's promise to not only forgive but to DESTROY all sin such that it is never seen again!!! The Sinai Covenant promises that Israel WILL SIN, but the New Covenant promises that those in her fold will be perfected to NEVER SIN again. Truly this is a return to the Garden of Eden without the Fall. Another way this understanding gracefully understands the Sinai Covenant is that the sole beneficiary of the Covenant is taken ALIVE into Heaven without leaving behind seed after the flesh to continue in that Covenant's stipulations on earth, thus the Sinai Covenant is not "abolished" on earth but its sole heir is assumed into Heaven while LIVING such that the Sinai Covenant did not "die" with its last son of Abraham but was gracefully taken back into Heaven in the Man Jesus, the Covenant having achieved its earthly goal in Jesus while He was on earth – namely, a New Covenant was birthed by the remnant Israelite who lived out the Sinai Covenant. The goal of the Sinai Covenant was the restoration and renewal of Adamic sinless perfection, and after this was achieved, Jesus as the last living heir to the Sinai Covenant could be taken into Heaven having been the remnant of Israel who achieved the mission of the Holy Nation.

WHEW! That was a mouthful... Now the question... Could any willing Messianics here be my teacher? Please point out any problems you see with this statement that is offered ONLY in order to ask a question for learning purposes, not to debate. Thank you for helping this student!

Shalom

 

[israelthebride]

YHSHWH is CONSISTENT

Everyone knows of the males, under 2 years old, being slaughtered

When MOSES and YH’SHWH, as MESSIAH, were born.

It has started again. It is called abortion. Babies being aborted.



Now, ONE like MOSES

MOSES goes to YH’SHWH for the first time on Mount Sinai

(in the third month after PASSOVER)
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EX 19:1 In the third month,

when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt,

the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.

EX 19:2 For they were departed from Rephidim,

and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness;

and there Israel camped before the mount.

EX 19:3 And Moses went up unto God,

and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying,

Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

EX 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians,

and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

EX 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed,

and keep my covenant,

then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people:

for all the earth is mine:

EX 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
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YH’SHWH asks HIS PEOPLE to COME to HIM; they didn’t.
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EX 19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses,

Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow,

and let them wash their clothes,

EX 19:11 And be ready against the third day:

for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people

upon mount Sinai.

EX 19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying,

Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount,

or touch the border of it:

whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:

EX 19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through;

whether it be beast or man, it shall not live:



when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
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YH'SHWH wants HIS PEOPLE to come to HIM

at the sound of the HORN (SHOFAR),

otherwise they will be "put to death".
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EX 19:14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people,

and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.

EX 19:15 And he said unto the people,

Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives.

EX 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning,

that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount,



and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud;

so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

EX 19:17 And Moses brought forth the people

out of the camp to meet with God;



and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
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The HORN (SHOFAR) sounded and they did not come to HIM.
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EX 19:18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke,

because the LORD descended upon it in fire:

and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace,

and the whole mount quaked greatly.
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The horn (SHOFAR) sounds, again.
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EX 19:19

And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long,

and waxed louder and louder,
Moses spake,

and God answered him by a voice.
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HIS PEOPLE did not respond or come to HIM.

MOSES did.
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EX 19:20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai,

on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount;

and Moses went up.

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This the Second Time MOSES goes up Mount Sinai.

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The Third Time

EX 24:9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu,

and seventy of the elders of Israel:

EX 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel:

and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone,

and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

EX 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand:

also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

EX 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses,

Come up to me into the mount, and be there:

and I will give thee tables of stone,

and a law, and commandments which I have written;

that thou mayest teach them.

EX 24:13 And Moses rose up,

and his minister Joshua: and Moses went up into the mount of God.

EX 24:14 And he said unto the elders,

Tarry ye here for us, until we come again unto you:

and, behold, Aaron and Hur are with you:

if any man have any matters to do, let him come unto them.

EX 24:15 And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount.

EX 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai,

and the cloud covered it six days:

and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

EX 24:17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire

on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.

EX 24:18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud,

and gat him up into the mount:

and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.

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MOSES brings the LAW of YH’SHWH down to HIS PEOPLE.
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EX 32:25 And when Moses saw that the people were naked;

(for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies

EX 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said,

Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me.

And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

EX 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel,

Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp,

and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

EX 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses:

and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

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Three Thousand were lost. (in the third month after PASSOVER)
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(CONT'D)

 

[israelthebride]

ONE like Moses

JN 1:10-13

He was in the world,

and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

He came unto his own (the world), and his own (the world) received him not.



But as many as received him,

to them gave he power to become the sons of God,

even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man,

but of God.



By HIS BLOOD and HIS WILL,

WE are HIS PEOPLE.
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Three times YH’SHWH, as the RESSURECTED MESSIAH, shows HIMSELF
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JN 21:12 Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine.
And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.

JN 21:13 Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.

JN 21:14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples,

after that he was risen from the dead.
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Three times YH'SHWH speaks to HIS PEOPLE
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JN 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter,

Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these?

He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee.

He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

JN 21:16 He saith to him again the second time,

Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?

He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee.

He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

JN 21:17 He saith unto him the third time,

Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?

Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me?

And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee.

Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

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The TRUE LAW of YH’SHWH is set in US on the ASSIGNED DAY.
(50 days after PASSOVER; in the middle of the third month after PASSOVER)


ACTS 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come,

they were all with one accord in one place.

ACTS 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind,

and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

ACTS 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire,

and it sat upon each of them.

ACTS 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,

and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

ACTS 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews (men from Judea),

devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

ACTS 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together,

and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

ACTS 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another,

Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

ACTS 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

ACTS 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia,

and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

ACTS 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene,

and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

ACTS 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues

the wonderful works of God.

ACTS 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another,

What meaneth this?

ACTS 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

ACTS 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them,

Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,

be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

ACTS 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose,

seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

ACTS 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

ACTS 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,

I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:

and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

ACTS 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens

I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

ACTS 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above,

and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

ACTS 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,

before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

ACTS 2:21 And it shall come to pass,

that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

ACTS 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words;

Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders

and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

ACTS 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God,

ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

ACTS 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:

because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

ACTS 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him,

I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand,

that I should not be moved:

ACTS 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice,

and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

ACTS 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,

neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

ACTS 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life;

thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

ACTS 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David,

that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

ACTS 2:30 Therefore being a prophet,

and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins,
according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

ACTS 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ,

that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

ACTS 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

ACTS 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted,

and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost,

he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

ACTS 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself,

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

ACTS 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

ACTS 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,

that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

ACTS 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart,

and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles,

Men and brethren, what shall we do?

ACTS 2:38 Then Peter said unto them,

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ

for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

ACTS 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children,

and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

ACTS 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,

Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

ACTS 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:

and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.




Three Thousand were SAVED.


On YH’SHWH’S FESTIVAL of WEEKS. (50 days after PASSOVER)
In the third month after PASSOVER.


Go to HIM when HE CALLS, "COME to ME!"
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YH'SHWH'S TRUE LAW, now, LIVES in US.

The Newest/Latest COVENANT has been started.

JER 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,

I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;

and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Do not deny HIS SPIRIT, HIS LIVING LAW, in US.

LOVE,

RICOEL