First I would refer you to this site: Becoming Like GodWould someone mind explaining the Mormon doctrine of believers becoming gods when they get to heaven? We know that Hinduism has around 23million gods, but will there be millions upon millions of Mormon gods in heaven too?
The high calling of God is not the same as humans becoming God. To use this verse as evidence that humans become gods when they get to heaven is a blatant corruption of the Word of God.First I would refer you to this site: Becoming Like God
I would also invite you to read this scripture
(New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
The high calling of God is not the same as humans becoming God. To use this verse as evidence that humans become gods when they get to heaven is a blatant corruption of the Word of God.
That does not say that we are or can be "gods". It shows that Jesus, being God (which Mormons don't actually believe, but that is another issue), knew He had the absolute right to be, as one of the three persons in the Trinity, equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. But, when He came to earth, He put aside all that and became a mere man, a servant. (You need to quote the whole reference, not just part of it to prove your point.) The Apostle is saying that if Jesus, being God with all the rights that went with His divinity, was prepared to become just a servant to all, then we should have the same attitude of mind. In other words, we should have a servant heart.The high calling of God is not the same? What about being equal with God?
(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
So who then is the God of Jesus? Perhaps the Bible can clear this up for us:That does not say that we are or can be "gods". It shows that Jesus, being God (which Mormons don't actually believe, but that is another issue), knew He had the absolute right to be, as one of the three persons in the Trinity, equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. But, when He came to earth, He put aside all that and became a mere man, a servant. (You need to quote the whole reference, not just part of it to prove your point.) The Apostle is saying that if Jesus, being God with all the rights that went with His divinity, was prepared to become just a servant to all, then we should have the same attitude of mind. In other words, we should have a servant heart.
That is what the reference is actually saying. Not that we can become "gods". Jesus did not become God after He died on the cross and rose again into glory. He was always God from eternity.
To say that humans become gods when they get to heaven is straight falsehood and heresy, and is preaching a jesus who is not the Jesus of the Bible.
So who then is the God of Jesus? Perhaps the Bible can clear this up for us:
(New Testament | John 20:17)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Please note that this was the resurrected Christ. Of course you will make up some reason not to believe this scripture either just like the others I posted. Did you know that Jesus is our brother?:
(New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 10)
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
There are other Gods and Lords but for us there is one God the Father:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
We do believe Jesus is God:
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 31:21)
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.
You said: "Jesus is not our brother, we are to address him as God, born of the Holy Spirit which is not a brother to us. If he was a brother to us, then he would have had a normal birth and be more like a prophet of God."Did you disregard some of the scriptures in coming up with that idea? See John 14:9, which states:
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"
Jesus is not our brother, we are to address him as God, born of the Holy Spirit which is not a brother to us. If he was a brother to us, then he would have had a normal birth and be more like a prophet of God.
And I see that you believe Jesus is a God now, which is convenient for your belief system as LDS. Ya know thinking children of God can become gods, which also is not scriptural. See Matthew 22:30 which states:
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
You can't simply throw out valid scripture and expect to be enlightened in doctrine.
You said: "Jesus is not our brother, we are to address him as God, born of the Holy Spirit which is not a brother to us. If he was a brother to us, then he would have had a normal birth and be more like a prophet of God."
However your opinion differs with what the Bible states. John 14:9 is about Jesus being in the same likeness (image) as the Father, not that He is God the Father. Marriage and sealings (bindings) are done on earth, not in heaven. We have always believed that Jesus is a God. However God the Father is our God and Father.
YesSo your understanding is simply that Jesus and God the Father are identical twins sort of?
Yes
(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 3)
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The Nicene Creed stated that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost were of the same substance. That would mean that they are all resurrected beings just like Jesus Christ. However most Christians do not believe that God the Father has a resurrected body like Jesus Christ so why do they believe the Nicene Creed? The Bible states that Jesus was not always a God:Yeah those scriptures say to me that Jesus is God and always was. And that they are one God more like the Nicene creed. But you don't see that?
The Nicene Creed stated that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost were of the same substance. That would mean that they are all resurrected beings just like Jesus Christ. However most Christians do not believe that God the Father has a resurrected body like Jesus Christ so why do they believe the Nicene Creed? The Bible states that Jesus was not always a God:
(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
The Nicene Creed stated that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost were of the same substance. That would mean that they are all resurrected beings just like Jesus Christ. However most Christians do not believe that God the Father has a resurrected body like Jesus Christ so why do they believe the Nicene Creed? The Bible states that Jesus was not always a God:
(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:[/QUOTE
You guys do not believe that Jesus is equal with God. You do not teach that. You believe that God the Father is of a higher "intelligence" than Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit is of a lower intelligence than Jesus. It's about "intelligence" for you, not the fact that they are equal as God. So you actually believe that we can all become so intelligent, we will become a god such as Jesus. For you do not believe that Jesus was God before becoming human, but became A god after the resurrection, after having kept all the commandments and proving Himself worthy.
You fail to see that you can keep the commandments all you want, you will never get to be in the presence of God for the simple reason that you do not KNOW God. You know A god who is the god of this earth who was human before becoming this god. He is a weak god that can not father children who are of the same substance as he (for they are spirit not flesh and bones as you say he is), and that requires a wife in order to have those children (and how did she come to be? Did he create her or did some other god?), he is not capable of creating everything, for he has to have existing matter to do anything, he is not able to give us children for only after the fall did it become possible for us to have children so you are actually grateful for the fall for Satan really is the one that made it possible for you to have children, he is not able to save us unless we keep his commandments to the letter and he cannot completely forgive the sin of murder. The object of your salvation is to become gods.
You do not know the God of this entire universe, The One and Only God that ever existed and existed as God from everlasting to everlasting. You do not know the God that has a Son equal to him, His One and Only Son whom He offered for our sins, the Son that was equal to His Father as God before He became human to show us His salvation. You do not know His Holy Spirit who is equal to God and always was. You do not know the God that can create and has created everything from nothing, the God that created us to have children, the God that commanded Adam and Eve to have children with or without the fall, you do not know the God that requires no wife for Him to be the Father of His One and only Son, and you certainly do not know the God that forgives every sin, including murder, totally and completely. The object of our salvation is not to become equal to God but to reflect His character and spend eternity with Him. He saves whomever He knows and He knows those who know Him---YOU DO NOT KNOW THE GOD OF THE BIBLE. And unless you do, you can not be saved for He will not know you.
You know the god of JS--and that god is not God and will not save you. Your sins will not be forgiven without you knowing God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. You have grieved away the Holy Spirit. You have the spirit of JS---the spirit of Moroni. and Moroni is none other than
2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
You are making the God of this universe CRY FOR YOU.
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