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LDS Mormons Becoming Gods?

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Oscarr, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. Oscarr

    Oscarr Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Would someone mind explaining the Mormon doctrine of believers becoming gods when they get to heaven? We know that Hinduism has around 23million gods, but will there be millions upon millions of Mormon gods in heaven too?
     
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  2. He is the way

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    First I would refer you to this site: Becoming Like God

    I would also invite you to read this scripture
    (New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
    14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
    15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
     
  3. Oscarr

    Oscarr Senior Veteran Supporter

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    The high calling of God is not the same as humans becoming God. To use this verse as evidence that humans become gods when they get to heaven is a blatant corruption of the Word of God.
     
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    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    The high calling of God is not the same? What about being equal with God?
    (New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
     
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    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    (New Testament | Revelation 3:21)

    21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    (New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

    16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
    (New Testament | John 17:20 - 24)

    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
    24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
     
  6. Oscarr

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    That does not say that we are or can be "gods". It shows that Jesus, being God (which Mormons don't actually believe, but that is another issue), knew He had the absolute right to be, as one of the three persons in the Trinity, equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. But, when He came to earth, He put aside all that and became a mere man, a servant. (You need to quote the whole reference, not just part of it to prove your point.) The Apostle is saying that if Jesus, being God with all the rights that went with His divinity, was prepared to become just a servant to all, then we should have the same attitude of mind. In other words, we should have a servant heart.

    That is what the reference is actually saying. Not that we can become "gods". Jesus did not become God after He died on the cross and rose again into glory. He was always God from eternity.

    To say that humans become gods when they get to heaven is straight falsehood and heresy, and is preaching a jesus who is not the Jesus of the Bible.
     
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    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    So who then is the God of Jesus? Perhaps the Bible can clear this up for us:

    (New Testament | John 20:17)

    17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Please note that this was the resurrected Christ. Of course you will make up some reason not to believe this scripture either just like the others I posted. Did you know that Jesus is our brother?:

    (New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 10)

    8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
    9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
    10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

    There are other Gods and Lords but for us there is one God the Father:

    (New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)

    5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
    6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    We do believe Jesus is God:

    (Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 31:21)

    21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.
     
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  8. Sanoy

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    God in English = the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. I would also add "Maximally Great Being".

    God in scripture = Elohim, which has a much broader and inclusive meaning. The deceased Samuel is an Elohim, Yahweh is an Elohim and Angels are Elohim. Yahweh is our Elohim, just as Yahweh is Jesus's Elohim, the Elohim most high. It is a completely different from modern English usage. It is a category of being, not a position.

    We will become Elohim in Christianity, but we will not become God per the English definition. Maximally great being is a logically exclusive title. I know LDS attaches a lot more to the concept, but strictly speaking we will become Elohim. Conceptualizing new testament scripture in the modern sense of a word is a mistake here, we have to use the Hebraic and Ancient Near Eastern view of Elohim, because that is what is meant by the Greek Theos.

    Yahweh is the Elohim of Jesus, as Yahweh is the Elohim for us and Israel. Israel was Yahweh's portion, when the nations were divided according to the number of the sons of God (70 Angels below Yahweh, that are also called Elohim) (Deuteronomy 32:8-9 ESV reflecting LLX) Circumcision was like cattle branding to an Elohim, several ANE cultures performed it. When a Jew underwent circumcision they were claiming to belong to Yahweh most high, as when the Egyptians Circumcised they were claiming to belong to one of their worshiped Elohim.

    We will be of the category of an Elohim but in no sense of the modern English concept, and we will belong to Yahweh so Yahweh will be our Elohim.
     
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  9. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    Did you disregard some of the scriptures in coming up with that idea? See John 14:9, which states:

    "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"

    Jesus is not our brother, we are to address him as God, born of the Holy Spirit which is not a brother to us. If he was a brother to us, then he would have had a normal birth and be more like a prophet of God.

    And I see that you believe Jesus is a God now, which is convenient for your belief system as LDS. Ya know thinking children of God can become gods, which also is not scriptural. See Matthew 22:30 which states:

    "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

    You can't simply throw out valid scripture and expect to be enlightened in doctrine.
     
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    You said: "Jesus is not our brother, we are to address him as God, born of the Holy Spirit which is not a brother to us. If he was a brother to us, then he would have had a normal birth and be more like a prophet of God."

    However your opinion differs with what the Bible states. John 14:9 is about Jesus being in the same likeness (image) as the Father, not that He is God the Father. Marriage and sealings (bindings) are done on earth, not in heaven. We have always believed that Jesus is a God. However God the Father is our God and Father.
     
  11. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    So your understanding is simply that Jesus and God the Father are identical twins sort of?
     
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    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    (New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 3)

    1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
     
  13. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    Yeah those scriptures say to me that Jesus is God and always was. And that they are one God more like the Nicene creed. But you don't see that?
     
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    The Nicene Creed stated that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost were of the same substance. That would mean that they are all resurrected beings just like Jesus Christ. However most Christians do not believe that God the Father has a resurrected body like Jesus Christ so why do they believe the Nicene Creed? The Bible states that Jesus was not always a God:

    (New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
     
  15. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    Well those scriptures I see as supporting the Nicene creed: "form of God". Which also indicates that He was always God. We as children are in the image of God, not the form of God. There's a difference I think.

    The spirit of God can resurrect any created body, like in revelation and the two witnesses: Revelation 11:11

    But as far as Jesus having a body, He is the Son of God and part of God, created with the Holy Spirit. So the Nicene creed still works I think.
     
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